On 18 January 2013 19:39, imacat <ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> On 2013/01/19 02:30, janI said:
> > On 18 January 2013 19:25, imacat <ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> >>> FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> >>> form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware"). This despite the fact
> >>> that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> >>> fact that we use pieces of OO.
> >>>
> >>> So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
> >>> reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
> >>> with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
> >>> that more options is better.
> >>
> >> You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
> >> These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
> >> forums.openoffice.org.
> >>
> > Did you mean that ? both are redirected !
>
> I thought I was making mistakes, so I tried again. Only
> user.services.openoffice.org and wiki.services.openoffice.org are
> redirected to forums.openoffice.org and wiki.openoffice.org,
> respectively. All other host names, if exist (and yes they exist), are
> not redirected.
>
> The DNS are pointed to the same IP. I mean the URLs (where httpd
> deal with) are redirected or not redirected.
>
I just tried ooo-wiki.apache.org again, without cache and gets response
from wiki.openoffice.org.
It is correct though that ooo-forums.apache.org comes with a page, and if I
try forums.openoffice.org then I am redirected to
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/forums/ which does not exist. I am sure
you have a typo there and mean forum.openoffice.org which works.
As part of the change to wiki2-vm, the url-request goes through a common
proxy server, and there some of the old names have not been activated, one
of infra checked each of the names.
Technically, only when the value in the "Host:" header in the HTTP
> request are either user.services.openoffice.org or
> wiki.services.openoffice.org, the request will be redirected. All other
> value in the "Host:" header in the HTTP request are kept intact.
>
? This does not match the http conf on wiki2 ? Is this information new ?
if you make a nslookup, you will see that ooo-wiki.apache.org still goes
directly to the vm.
The header should hopefully not be modified, at least that was what we
tested yesterday, but the proxy sends the request to a new address
(ooo-wiki2).
As a sidenote, we also have wikitest.openoffice.org active.
> >
> > rgds
> > Jan I.
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Don
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat <ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
> >>>> wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. The existing community is built on this current host name. It
> would
> >>>> only confuse the community to change it. This is especially true that
> >>>> we have changed it just recently.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when
> the
> >>>> host name is long.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir" <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in
> Infra
> >>>>>>>> regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
> >>>>>> wiki.openoffice.apache.org"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki,
> which I
> >>>>>> did,
> >>>>>>>> with great help from many in here.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
> >>>>>> positive)
> >>>>>>>> and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of
> >> an
> >>>>>>>> upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed
> >> risky
> >>>>>> due
> >>>>>>>> to the state (and documentation) of the installation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to
> >> transfer
> >>>>>>>> the live site.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of
> http.
> >>>>>>>> Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
> >>>>>> should be
> >>>>>>>> done through https.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
> >>>>>> whether
> >>>>>>>> "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.
> openoffice.apache.org"
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> be ok.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague,
> >> but I
> >>>>>>>> have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
> >>>>>> https:
> >>>>>>>> wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a
> response
> >> as
> >>>>>> https:
> >>>>>>>> ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction. I think we should be
> >>>>>>> looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
> >>>>>>> openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org. Splitting things
> >> up
> >>>>>>> is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
> >>>>>>> confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our
> >> blog
> >>>>>>> and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's my ideal. Is it impossible?
> >>>>>> it is highly possible.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it
> >> earlier
> >>>>>> and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the
> >> mwiki
> >>>>>> side have volunteered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the
> present
> >>>>> set of activities. I meant longer term it would be good to get under
> >>>>> a single domain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Rob
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a
> >> legacy,
> >>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>> important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest
> >> discussion
> >>>>>>>> seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for
> >> openoffice.org
> >>>>>> ,
> >>>>>>>> but there are no guarantees.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is the issue cost? We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our
> >>>>>>> homepage. I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the
> >>>>>>> certificate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Note: If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't
> we
> >>>>>>> in the same issue with the phpBB forums? Would a single cert be
> able
> >>>>>>> to cover that as well? Or do we need one cert per subdomain?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert,
> >> even
> >>>>>> though apache.org is a wildcard.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we
> at
> >> least
> >>>>>> can get a stable server.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Rob
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that
> >> causes a
> >>>>>> url
> >>>>>>>> name change, without having a green light from the AOO community.
> >>>>>> Meaning
> >>>>>>>> that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted
> to
> >>>>>> make a
> >>>>>>>> clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not
> done
> >>>>>> that,
> >>>>>>>> the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by
> >> others,
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the
> >> community
> >>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>> accept.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on
> >>>>>> behalf of
> >>>>>>>> Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are
> >> infra).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rgds
> >>>>>>>> jan I.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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