On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 21.06.2013 17:06, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM, RA Stehmann
>>>> <anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can understand your concerns, but they aren't drasticly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm with you, that we have to make clear, the Box isn't a product of
>> the
>>>>> ASF but distributed by the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..".
>>>>> 
>>>>> But on the other hand the "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.."
>> isn't
>>>>> any old third party.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We need to be fair.  Treating one 3rd party special is not fair.
>>> 
>>> Treating equal things unequal isn't fair, but it's also unfair treating
>>> unequal things equal. You have to make the decision, what's equal and
>>> whd what's unequa and in what aspect. That's the sense of "suum cuique
>>> tribuere".
>> 
>> My recollection of the discussion was.
>> 
>> (1) Have a 3rd party page.
>> 
>> (2) Each language may have their own 3rd party page.
>> 
>> (3) Each language can have their own news feed.
>> 
>> (4) Each news item may link to a 3rd party page.
>> 
>> Conclusion.
>> 
>> DE page can have news about PrOOo and point to a link on the 3rd party
>> page.
>> 
>> Do we all agree?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
> 
> Could these points be placed in their own [PROPOSAL] thread so they could
> be discussed on their own?
> 
> If we could do that and either vote, or at least have a consensus, I think
> it would be a good idea to further clarify this topic by adding a new "Web
> guidelines" page to the project site --  http://openoffice.apache.org/

Done. I certainly want to separate this ... let's move forward. Saying less can 
be saying more. (A paraphrase of Mies van der Rohe's "Less is More")

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
> 
>>>> 
>>>>> It's a charitable german entity supporting Free office software. It's
>>>>> still supporting Apache OpenOffice. The computer an the monitor at our
>>>>> Fosdem stand were provided by "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Disclaimer: I'm no member of that club, but know persons who are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So IMO it's ok to put that news in the news line of the homepage,
>> making
>>>>> clear, who's the distributor of that product.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd be much happier if the German community listened to what I am
>>>> saying and took steps to address the full issue. IMHO you need to add
>>>> a page that gives equal access to all 3rd party ports and
>>>> distributions, and not just favor a single one with a news
>>>> announcement.
>>> 
>>> see above.
>>> 
>>> IMO you like to treat uneqal things equal.
>>> 
>>> Making a page presenting third party products makes sense.
>>> 
>>> But it don't makes sense, presenting all third party products in the
>>> news. And it makes IMO sense presenting the box there.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If you then give announcements of updates to these distributions,
>>>> whenever they occur, and do such announcements fairly, not for just a
>>>> single 3rd party, then this might be OK.   So if you really want to
>>>> move this forward I'd highly recommend creating and maintaining a
>>>> German version of the porting page:
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Doing one thing doesn't mean to drop another.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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