Rene Engelhard wrote:
It would be good for OOo to work with as many JVM, JRE as possible. No question about that. So maybe get GCJ and others to work with OOo.This is another case. JBoss is a Java app. It would be better to make it work with free JDKs (does it?, no idea) but it's still a Java servlet so it's obvious it needs Java.
Whereas OpenOffice.org is a Office productivity suite which has some important functionality written in Java (XML filters, ...) and even some core stuff (Database, ...)? Why should using a non-free Java which is not available sometimes (see below) help here?
And we are not talking about Java itself. We want a free Java. We want aI want a free Java too. But my "free" Java maybe different from your point of view. and I am pretty sure
OOo which works with free Java. What RMS thinks may be different,
though...
not the same as RMS.
That is not how I see it. Please re-read my message. Freedom and liberty are important here. People want to have freedom to do things, and so Sun. They choose to open source OOo. Thanks to them. They choose to keep Java how it is right now, good for them (with respect to liberty). Good thing they're not under a communist or some regime that would take away their property without their consent, or force them under some kind of influence that they don't have control over.
property. Create one, not asking Sun to give it out free.
Ah. With your argument they should close-source OOo, too? Or have never
open-sourced it? Because that was giving most of the StarOffice IP out?
Wow. What a nice argument....
Anyway, there is free java. but Sun does regularily break OpenOffice.orgGood point. That's not "Java" then. It's rather some library written in Java. Because Java is not just code, but also standard. If it's outside of published standard, and not opened sourced, then its some closed stuff that attach to OOo. This is entirely different issue, which should be addressed.
to not build with free JDKs (by using sun.misc.* for example, which no
free JDK implements - of course not, and is not even recommended for use
by Sun itself).
But I wrote RMS today that gcj/gij *basically* works for building (if youI wonder who decide *not* allow to use non-free stuff on Debian. If it's the Debian admin, then why they have the liberty to make that policy, and Sun cannot make something like *not* allow anything else other than Java to be used. Well, you say they can do so, but people will fork because they can too. Good point. But it also implies that another option is to fork Debian to *allow* this to happen. Obviously, "freedom" here has a high cost: cannot use non-free stuff. If medical and hospital has to follow this rule, I wouldn't have survive to this day.
disable helpcontent and patch a sun.misc.* using place) - not for
runtime, though. Both is necessary for free GNU/Linux distributions.
Debian and Defore for example are *not* allowed to use non-free stuff
for building packages for their main distribution...
And well, Suns/Blackdowns Java is a portability nightmare. There are manyGood point. However, would you think that if I like Java so much, and I decide to write an open source office suit, or whatever software for that matter in Java. Would this be a real bad idea if taking open source software community as a whole into consideration? I wonder how many piece of softwares that were written just for Windows and open source. Thanks to them! This shows if open source community get more powerful, it would have its fangs exposed and forcing idealism on some commercial software. I believe both in open source and closed source. Want open source and freedom? Why not make it public domain? I call that freedom.
platforms without a suitable Java. What to do with them? Let them in the
cold? Without a Office suite / a integrated databse module / the XML filters?
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