On Monday 07 January 2008 15:50, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> All,
>
> IF THE BUTLER SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS SOFTWARE WAS ACCESSED
> ELECTRONICALLY, CLICK "DISAGREE/DECLINE".
>
> So... by installing, I am violating the license agreement?
>
> Joseph Armbruster
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 9:47 AM, Joseph Armbruster
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I am not sure what this line means:
> >
> > IF THE BUTLER SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS SOFTWARE WAS ACCESSED
> > ELECTRONICALLY, CLICK "DISAGREE/DECLINE".
> >
> > Joseph Armbruster
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2008 9:46 AM, Joseph Armbruster <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I downloaded the free trial, here is a copy of the license
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> > > COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING,REPAIR OR CORRECTION.12. IN NO
> > > EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING
> > > WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MAY MODIFY
> > > AND/OR REDISTRIBUTE THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO
> > > YOU FOR DAMAGES, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR
> > > CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE
> > > THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA
> > > BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED BY YOU OR THIRD
> > > PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER
> > > PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF
> > > THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
> > >
> > > 10. Government End Users. The Butler Software Solutions's
> > > Software and related documentation are "Commercial Items", as
> > > that term is defined at 48 C.F.R. §2.101, consisting of
> > > "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial Computer Software
> > > Documentation", as such terms are used in 48 C.F.R. §12.212 or 48
> > > C.F.R. §227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R.
> > > §12.212 or 48 C.F.R. §227.7202-1 through 227.7202-4, as
> > > applicable, the Commercial Computer Software and Commercial
> > > Computer Software Documentation are being licensed to U.S.
> > > Government end users (a) only as Commercial Items and (b) with
> > > only those rights as are granted to all other end users pursuant
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> > > under the copyright laws of the United States.
> > >
> > > 11. This License shall not be governed by the United Nations
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> > > application of which is expressly excluded. If for any reason a
> > > court of competent jurisdiction finds any provision, or portion
> > > thereof, to be unenforceable, the remainder of this License shall
> > > continue in full force and effect.
> > >
> > > 12. Complete Agreement; Governing Language. This License
> > > constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with respect
> > > to the use of the Butler Software Solutions Software licensed
> > > hereunder and supersedes all prior or contemporaneous
> > > understandings regarding such subject matter. No amendment to or
> > > modification of this License will be binding unless in writing
> > > and signed by Butler Software Solutions's. Any translation of
> > > this License is done for local requirements and in the event of a
> > > dispute between the English and any non-English versions, the
> > > English version of this License shall govern.
> > > 13. Trademark
> > > Any usage of the Butler Software Solutions trademark, in whole or
> > > in part, for software that is not directly affiliated with the
> > > trademark holder is hereby forbidden.
> > > Butler Software Solutions and/or the trademark holder will take
> > > whatever legal action is necessary to ensure no one uses the
> > > Butler Software Solutions trademark in any way the trademark
> > > holder deems to be unfit. Punishable to the full extent of the
> > > law.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 7, 2008 9:18 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > The Mac version looks like the Aqua build.
> > > > All the libraries etc looks like what is found in a typical OOo
> > > > install.
> > > >
> > > > CLosed license and impossibility to save anything with the
> > > > trial version...
> > > >
> > > > Etc...
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Christophe Helary
> > > >
> > > > On 7 janv. 08, at 22:11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
> > > > > Hi Charles,
> > > > >
> > > > > * you see this in the screenshots on their website
> > > > >
> > > > > * you can download a trial version
> > > > > ** this trial version claims that on my box that a newer
> > > > > version of butler office is installed :-)
> > > > > ** The Windows version identifies itself in the about box as
> > > > > a build 9095 (OOE680m6). The Mac version as build 9161
> > > > > (OOF680m18).
> > > > >
> > > > > I assume that also people who paid for the office also get no
> > > > > access
> > > > >
> > > > > to the source code.
> > > > > The included license looks weired, I will have a deeper look
> > > > > into
> > > >
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > > > >> Hello Kevin,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ButlerPro is not one of our contributors. However, I'd be
> > > > >> curious to know how you can see that they're using the
> > > > >> OpenOffice.org codebase.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Best Regards,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Charles-H. Schulz.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Kevin Ogden a écrit :
> > > > >>> http://www.butlerofficepro.com/
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> http://www.butlerofficepro.com/ebay
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It's certainly a modified version of OpenOffice. They
> > > > >>> don't mention OpenOffice nor do they provide source. Right
> > > > >>> down to the soffice.bin executable in the OS X package.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Also check out
> > > >
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-2008-Office-Pro-for-Mac-Microsoft-Vista
> > > >-XP_W0QQitemZ190187536162QQihZ009QQcategoryZ80241QQssPageNameZWD
> > > >VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> > > >
> > > > >>> They openly bash open source software on this page yet
> > > > >>> their product is based on it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I've had an unsuccessful discussion with them on this if
> > > > >>> you all would like me to forward it to the list. The only
> > > > >>> contact info on
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> the page was the customer service e-mail address <
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > >>> >. I have a feeling it's just a guy or 3 in a basement
> > > > >>> > because
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> the reply was instantaneous and whoever it was didn't seem
> > > > >>> like a typical customer service rep. He was a bit more
> > > > >>> knowledgeable than a typical customer service rep.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If I'm wrong and they do contribute code back, my
> > > > >>> apologies. I certainly haven't seen anything however. I
> > > > >>> just felt the need to point this out.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --Kevin
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
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