We should avoid the debate about how likely the loss is but we should also point out how dubious this guidance appears to be in other communities that graduated. Nah, let's not debate that either. ;-)
Pirk is a pretty specialized and awesome concept. Whether the core committer base expands or not does remain to be seen. As a mentor though what I'm watching above all right now is that the community is doing those things consistently which enable and allow such growth - demonstrating the apache way. Thanks Joe On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.elli...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 07/10/16 12:59, Ellison Anne Williams wrote: >> Good points. From a mentor perspective, what would you consider to be >> diverse enough community involvement for the project to be self-sustaining? > > The goal is to ensure that if one or two existing people / companies > decide (for whatever reason) that they no longer want to participate in > Pirk, the community will be able to continue. > > Now we don't need to get into a debate about how likely that loss is for > Pirk, but as a general rule the guidance is that having three distinct > 'entities' as regular committers would be a minimum. > > Of course, the more the better. > > Take a look here for a good overview > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community > > Regards, > Tim > > >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.elli...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 05/10/16 13:50, Ellison Anne Williams wrote: >>>> It appears that podling reports have been moved to quarterly instead of >>>> monthly - looks like we don't have to submit a report until December. >>>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/report-groups.txt >>>> >>>> (Thanks to Suneel for the info!) >>> >>> Sure, though I still think it is worth us reflecting on progress more >>> frequently. I have no fear of the code (IP) cleanliness, procedures, or >>> personalities involved in Pirk. I do worry a bit about whether Pirk >>> will be self-sustaining in terms of diverse community involvement. >>> >>> It is still early days, and there has been good progress on developer >>> and user documentation and guidance. Hopefully we can continue in that >>> vein, and the project will continue to see the benefits. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Tim >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.elli...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 01/10/16 01:14, Ellison Anne Williams wrote: >>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please find the draft podling report for October below -- please let me >>>>>> know if you have any comments/suggestions/questions. I will post it to >>>>> the >>>>>> incubator wiki when everyone is happy with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Ellison Anne >>>>> >>>>> FYI the layout got messed up on my client, so I hit return a few times >>>>> to reformat the text below... >>>>> >>>>>> PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information Retrieval >>>>>> (PIR). >>>>>> >>>>>> Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17. The initial code for >>>>>> Pirk was granted on 2016-07-11. >>>>>> >>>>>> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Grow the community to establish diversity of background and >>> expertise. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Establish a formal release process and schedule, allowing for >>>>>> dependable release cycles in a manner consistent with the Apache >>>>>> development process. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Add to and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples both on >>>>>> the website and in the code base. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to >>>>>> be aware of? >>>>>> >>>>>> None. >>>>>> >>>>>> How has the community developed since the last report? >>>>>> >>>>>> We have attracted a couple of new contributors since the last report. >>>>>> The mailing list activity, pull requests, and page views to the Apache >>>>>> Pirk website (via Google Analytics) have also increased since the last >>>>>> report. >>>>>> >>>>>> How has the project developed since the last report? >>>>>> >>>>>> The project is in the process of completing it's second release, >>>>>> 0.2.0-incubating. The project has also undertaken a refactor of some of >>>>>> the packages and drivers and added additional user/developer >>>>>> documentation on the website. >>>>>> >>>>>> Date of last release: >>>>>> >>>>>> August 29, 2016 >>>>>> >>>>>> When were the last committers or PMC members elected? >>>>>> >>>>>> Pirk elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel Marthi, both >>>>>> mentors) on August 18, 2016. >>>>> >>>>> +1 from me. >>>>> >>>>> I think we are well on the the way to achieving goal two, the repeatable >>>>> release process/schedule, and as you have written, it is now a case of >>>>> focusing on user and developer community to ensure the project is >>>>> sustainable in the long run. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
