Again positive. Discussions with counsel are not what I was referring to. However I think you are overly conservative on "pony" and David was overly liberal (patent list isn't necessarily feasible for instance) in places.

-andy

Sam Ruby wrote:
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM, David Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Myself, I would ask Sam to informally discuss these requests as "issues"
and see what their counsel suggests

My plans would be to discuss it with our counsel resources first.  And
just as a fore-warning, such discussions would likely initially occur
on a non-public list.

But first, I would like to eliminate all "but I want a pony" types of
requests.  I don't mean that in any way to be disrespectful to anybody
on this mailing list, but we need to respectful of everybody's time
and not request anything more than we absolutely need.

For example, much of this discussion has centered around Microsoft's
unsolicited OSP.  To what extent does POI rely on that promise?  We
have not required that of others.  For example, if it turns out that
the OSP is at best helpful and at worst harmless, and it turns out
that POI doesn't require an OSP anyway, then is there really a need to
pursue clarifications?

On the other hand, if it turns out that the consensus is that the
licenses that are made available for OOXML are not sufficient for
POI's needs and that the OSP, as currently written, does not cover the
gap, then I would be glad to help broker an agreement, and failing
that, help with and co-sign a letter such as this one:

  http://www.apache.org/foundation/docs/sender-id-position.html

- Sam Ruby

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