Hi Michael

Thanks for the update. It's great !
Using CDI annotation is way neater than yaml bean verbose definition
:) We can always improve step by step (about the
PolarisMetaStoreManager and the CallContext).

NB: the Quarkus PR is also there to have side/side comparison.

My comment is that we should also consider the framework ecosystem: I
see new Polaris PRs (like the one about dynamic config) that
reimplement from scratch what already provided by Quarkus (thanks to
the extensions). I think it's urgent to have a consensus here to know
in which direction we are going.

Let's chat together about that.

Thanks !
Regards
JB

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 6:06 AM Michael Collado <collado.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FYI, I updated the branch to exclude HK2 dependencies from the core module
> -
> https://github.com/apache/polaris/compare/main...collado-mike:polaris:mcollado-hk2-di
> . The Factory implementations are defined in the polaris-service module.
>
> I also created another branch at
> https://github.com/collado-mike/polaris/compare/mcollado-hk2-di...mcollado-hk2-di-grantmanager
> that merged the PR I have at https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/465
> using the CDI annotations rather than the extra factories I had created in
> the initial PR. This is still moving us toward supporting different
> implementations of the various Polaris*Manager interfaces - still relying
> on the current concrete PolarisMetaStoreManager, but we can easily extend
> the HK2 service-locator file to support different manager implementations
> in future PRs. (I prefer smaller incremental moves before we go with
> fully-swappable implementations).
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:37 PM Michael Collado <collado.m...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey thanks for calling that out. It’s strictly a convenience change and
> > actually isn’t necessary. I added that in because, at the end of the day,
> > most components need a PolarisMetaStoreManager, not a
> > MetaStoreManagerFactory. Registering it as a factory meant that components
> > could declare a dependency on the PolarisMetaStoreManager interface and it
> > would use the factory to create the right instance. Because the factory
> > method is annotated @RealmScope, the instance it creates is specific to the
> > realm. I could have done it in the PolarisApplication, as I did the
> > PolarisGrantManagerFactory at
> > https://github.com/collado-mike/polaris/blob/mcollado-hk2-di/polaris-service/src/main/java/org/apache/polaris/service/PolarisApplication.java#L518-L531
> > . I was just lazy when I did that one :) We can keep all the hk2-specific
> > code out of the core module.
> >
> > I do want to point out where the @RealmScope differs from @RequestScope -
> > the beans defined in @RequestScope are cleaned up at the end of the
> > request. The ones defined in the @RealmScope are reused across requests.
> > This makes a difference with classes like the EntityCache that depends on
> > being able to reuse, e.g., catalogs, but ensure the cache is specific to
> > the current realm. We can, of course, pass around a bunch of
> > @ApplicationScope factories that return the realm-specific beans, but that
> > means we can't do things like add the PolarisGrantManager interface without
> > also adding a new realm-specific factory, even if the PolarisGrantManager
> > implementation is really just the PolarisMetaStoreManager itself. I think,
> > ideally, we avoid declaring dependencies on factories and have components
> > declare dependencies on the specific realm-scoped beans they need and let
> > the CDI framework work out where the beans come from. This is basically
> > what I was doing with the MetaStoreManagerFactory interface - as I said, I
> > was just being lazy by extending Factory directly.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 5:08 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov
> > <dmitri.bourlatch...@dremio.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> I had a quite brief look at Mike's HK2 branch, so apologies if I'm missing
> >> the bigger picture.
> >>
> >> Still, I see that MetaStoreManagerFactory no longer extends the DW
> >> Discoverable, but it extends the HK2 Factory class now. So we're basically
> >> trading one framework for another as a code-level runtime dependency. I
> >> would really like it if we could avoid that.
> >>
> >> I think one of the key benefits of Quarkus is abstracting from framework
> >> code in our class hierarchies. Granted, Quarkus requires certain Web App
> >> frameworks, but that's at another level. As for CDI, our code under
> >> Quarkus
> >> would only have to have certain annotations, without having to
> >> extend/implement framework interfaces.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dmitri.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 8:37 PM Michael Collado <collado.m...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > FYI, I took a stab at seeing how Polaris would work with HK2 as a CDI
> >> impl.
> >> > I only spent yesterday and today on this, so it's not complete, but it
> >> is
> >> > functional and the tests pass :)
> >> >
> >> > I took a lot of the common ideas from the Quarkus branch (e.g., deleted
> >> all
> >> > the HasXXX and XXXAware interfaces), but kept the JSON/Yaml config. I
> >> > figured out how to use the Dropwizard Yaml to specify the
> >> > implementation of, e.g. the Authenticator and the
> >> MetaStoreManagerFactory,
> >> > but have the instances managed and injectable by HK2. The goal there
> >> was to
> >> > just keep the existing configuration format, but change the impl under
> >> the
> >> > hood. I'm not married to the idea and I'm interested to see if the
> >> > jakarta.enterprise.inject.* annotations/interfaces that are used in the
> >> > Quarkus branch can make this simpler. However, I do think it would
> >> ideal if
> >> > we can get it working with the existing Yaml configuration, at least in
> >> the
> >> > short term.
> >> >
> >> > I did add support for a @RealmScope annotation to support restricting
> >> items
> >> > to a given realm, such as the EntityCache and the PolarisGrantManager.
> >> This
> >> > allowed me to do things like hide the grant lookups from the
> >> EntityCache so
> >> > that the Resolver doesn't have to pass around the ResolvedPolarisEntity,
> >> > but instead the grants are found from the cache without making it overt
> >> in
> >> > the PolarisAuthorizer API. This was one of my original goals with
> >> breaking
> >> > up the PolarisMetaStoreManager API into multiple interfaces. Right now,
> >> > everything still ties back to the configured PolarisMetaStoreManager
> >> > implementation, but eventually we can get to where the GrantManager,
> >> > CredentialVendor, etc. can all be swapped out for different
> >> > implementations.
> >> >
> >> > Please take a look at the changes at
> >> >
> >> >
> >> https://github.com/collado-mike/polaris/compare/c0e8dae5182d33e046216510e2b02b7cf923ffe8...collado-mike:polaris:mcollado-hk2-di
> >> > and let me know what you think.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 9:42 AM Michael Collado <collado.m...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I added a table to the README with the differences that were called
> >> out.
> >> > I
> >> > > added some details that I think are worth understanding better. E.g.,
> >> the
> >> > > Json layout we added has specific custom functionality we wanted for
> >> > > supporting key/value pairs and the micrometer annotation was added for
> >> > some
> >> > > custom support we wanted aside from what is supported with the default
> >> > > dropwizard metrics support.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> https://github.com/collado-mike/polaris/blob/14865a97ad8f790a9992432d79975c05ff5c36fa/polaris-service-quarkus/README.md
> >> > >
> >> > > I think it would be great if others could add to the table with
> >> features
> >> > > that would be impacted by the migration and to call out the level of
> >> > effort
> >> > > in both dropwizard and quarkus.
> >> > >
> >> > > Another possible consideration would be upgrading our Dropwizard
> >> > > dependency to the latest development version. It may be the case that
> >> > doing
> >> > > so would address some of the targeted features with less effort in
> >> > > migrating.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 5:50 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net
> >> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hi folks,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Following the last community sync meeting, we create a branch
> >> > >> demonstrating use of Quarkus to powered Apache Polaris:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> https://github.com/jbonofre/polaris/tree/QUARKUS
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We still have work to do, but you can already take a look and
> >> > >> experiment (in the polaris-service-quarkus module).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We added a README.md file to:
> >> > >> 1. Highlight the main differences (in terms of code) between
> >> > >> Dropwizard and Quarkus
> >> > >> 2. To build and run Polaris powered by Quarkus
> >> > >> 3. The list of TODO items
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> https://github.com/jbonofre/polaris/blob/QUARKUS/polaris-service-quarkus/README.md
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If anyone wants to contribute on the branch before creating the PR,
> >> > >> please let me know, I will add you as contributor on the branch.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Any comments or questions are welcome !
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > >> Regards
> >> > >> JB
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >

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