If there are things missing from Renovate that mean we can't configure the
commit messages in the way you'd like that's a shame, but I'm not totally
sure that needs to be a blocker here. Does the change just need to go to a
vote?

--EM

On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 3:28 AM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de> wrote:

> That would remove the useful information like links
> release-notes/changelog, effective Renovate config for the PR, ability
> to re-create the PR, link to Renovate logs, etc
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 6:25 PM Eric Maynard <eric.w.mayn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to adjust the PR description generated by renovate to
> better
> > align with what you're looking for? The docs
> > <https://docs.renovatebot.com/configuration-templates/#pr-body> seem to
> > suggest that it can be done with e.g. {{{commitList}}}
> >
> > --EM
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 9:08 AM Robert Stupp <sn...@snazy.de> wrote:
> >
> > > My biggest concern is the Renovate PRs. The commit message of those is
> > > suitable for being merged "as is" - but the PR description is not.
> > > Given the amount of Renovate-PRs it's a lot of cognitive work to
> > > adjust those - or the commit log would look really really awful with a
> > > ton of not useful information and links - leaking into (automatically
> > > generated) changelogs for releases.
> > >
> > > All "human originated" PRs need manual attention anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 5:54 PM Eric Maynard <eric.w.mayn...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Robert,
> > > >
> > > > > Having the list of commits in the merge commit message proposed by
> > > GitHub
> > > > helps there.
> > > >
> > > > Can you elaborate on this? How exactly does it help? You can always
> view
> > > > the commits on the original PR.
> > > >
> > > > Beyond that, I actually don't see these commit messages being added
> > > > currently when I look at recently merged PRs like 1
> > > > <
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/polaris/commit/a0e31b0584437602f30a97ed5fc110c50802d9c1
> > > >
> > > >  or 2
> > > > <
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/polaris/commit/a0e31b0584437602f30a97ed5fc110c50802d9c1
> > > >.
> > > > They are indeed there by default right now, as you can see in this
> recent
> > > > commit
> > > > <
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/polaris/commit/145ad3e2715ccb4630e6537de3c077561c86a129
> > > >
> > > > which
> > > > includes each commit's message. But my reading of your linked
> comments
> > > > suggests that committers are meant to *change* the default commit
> > > message.
> > > >
> > > > Ajantha's proposed change would make the default commit message more
> > > > closely resemble what you suggest. In fact, for those two linked
> PRs, it
> > > > looks like the default commit message would have been exactly the
> same as
> > > > what ultimately got merged.
> > > >
> > > > --EM
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 3:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > From technical standpoint, the commit template can be updated via
> > > asf.yaml.
> > > > > It’s a change we did on the parser a few months ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > JB
> > > > >
> > > > > Le mer. 9 juil. 2025 à 04:30, Ajantha Bhat <ajanthab...@gmail.com>
> a
> > > > > écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > While adding the recommendation to working with the PR on site
> docs,
> > > > > > we have opened an issue
> > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/issues/1656 to
> > > > > > update the settings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have discussed with ASF Infra and they mentioned, we can
> update by
> > > > > > ourselves.
> > > > > > Hence, I opened a PR for the same:
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/2016
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But it looks like we don't have consensus on this change (based
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > comment on the PR). Hence this discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I personally think it is good to have these settings as default
> as
> > > the
> > > > > > committer work will be reduced if the PR title and description is
> > > proper.
> > > > > > I don't see the drawbacks of this approach yet. Please feel free
> to
> > > > > mention
> > > > > > your opinion on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Ajantha
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>

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