Mox wrote:

Eric B., your undeterred enthusiasm makes me happy :) It's very good that OOo has such people, because too often (from reading dev-lists) nothing gets done because it's deemed too big or too complex a change.

That's absolutely right - but of course you must allow for some realistic estimates...

Anyways, thanks to Stephan, I noticed that there has been quite a lot of related discussion in Jan 2005. Actually there was a person who did quite a remarkable summary of that discussion as well. I strongly recommend reading the mail Stephan linked to and also reading all (or at least most) the stuff that is linked in here:
http://silveronion.blogspot.com/2005/03/mailing-list-research.html

Yes, there is a remarkable summary of many discussion threads around migrating towards a new toolkit. Definitely worth reading.

I wish Sun people would have the courage to start a XUL or other XML-based widget/chrome project for OOo (as a parallel to VCL). Then develop/maybe migrate stuff little by little. Even MS does XAML. It might not be ready for OOo 3.0, but just sticking to the current one because it is too complex to change will bite back in the future. The complexity and interrelatedness is only going away, if there is some strong API/boundary to work with/migrate to. Obviously, currently VCL is not working well in that area. Also, using XUL could be a chance to make a very fruitful deal / collaboration with Mozilla Foundation/Corporation

In fact we're considering a change to XUL for parts of the user interface. During the last months I did an evaluation of XUL as a possible long-term VCL replacement (although this is pretty hard to imagine) and wrote a first prototype in order to simplify the creation and maintainability of dialogs. You can find my talk and probably the slides on the OOoCon2005 webpages.

Stephan

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