Hi Sophie, *,

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Sophie<[email protected]> wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems
>> Germany<[email protected]> wrote:
>>[...]
>> The problem is not that the smoketest wasn't performed. The problem is
>> that someketest_oo did run without problem. It doesn't do an
>> installation as the user does/starts OOo in another environment the
>> user would do.
>> smoketest_oo native just runs and reports success in both cases.
>
> From what I know, a comparison between cws and mws tests if they are not run
> in the exactly same environment will not provide reliable infos so the
> community is out of scope here, or did I miss something?

Maybe it wasn't clear enough - smoketestoo_native is not using
testtool or doing manual tests - This is a very short test that can be
done as part of building OpenOffice.org.
Maybe a bad name, since the former manual testing instructions were
also labeled "smoketests"
It consists of installing OOo into a temporary location, runnning OOo
and creating files from every app (writer, calc, impress...) - I
didn't have a closer look as to what else it does. But that it didn't
catch the installation issue is really sad. So we had a released
milestone that the user could not even launch.

I wanted to give it as an example that automatic testing cannot find
everything, not even obvious bugs because it does stuff differently
than a user would do. That even when the test says "OK", trying to use
the same functionality can cause a crash in real world.

(another example if the test would check PDF-export by exporting an
empty document without text, it would not have detected the Bigendian
PPC crasher - so you did check PDF export, but not with the necessary
circumstances to trigger the bug)

ciao
Christian

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