Takashi Nakamoto wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:50:15 +0200
Eike Rathke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Kohei,
On Tuesday, 2007-08-21 08:35:41 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote:
IIRC, if the text cell doesn't contain any phonetic text, it will
back-translate it into ruby using the IME if the main text contains any
Kanji characters, then return that ruby text to replace the Kanji
characters in the main text.
It's not true.
If a text cell doesn't contain any phonetic text, it just returns base
text without back-translation at least on my environment (Window XP,
Excel 2003).
Back-translation, which is sometimes called "reconversion", comes up
when you change continuous Kanji characters which compose one word.
It's difficult to explain the detail of this situation in English but
I've introduce the understandable example following.
The word "research" can be translated "kenkyuu" in Japanese. This
Japanese word is expressed by two Kanji characters, [U+7814, U+7A76]
and the corresponding phonetic text is [U+3051, U+3093, U+304D,
U+3085, U+3046]. Think of the situation that a cell in Excel contains
this word with the corresponding phonetic text.
Then, split the base text [U+7814, U+7A76] with a space character to
make it [U+7814, U+0020, U+7A76]. At the same time, the phonetic text
changes. It becomes [U+3051, U+3093, U+0020, U+304D, U+308F, U+3080].
The last two characters change from [U+3085, U+3046] to [U+308F,
U+3080], because back-translation returns [U+304D, U+308F, u+3080]
when [U+7A16] is used as one word.
That means the 'KUN' and the 'ON'-meanings (kunyomi vs onyomi)? [I don't
know much about ruby; nevertheless I struggle to learn Japanese. IF I
only had more time, ...a 25 hour day or something like that, and
somebody with whom to exercise... :-\ ).
So to produce identical formula results with a document on different
systems it also depends on the availablity of an IME that has
back-conversion and works identical and offers that through some API?
Sounds like a bunch of mess to me.
In addition, because back-translation, probably stands on difficult
stochastic algorithm, IME returns different results in rare cases. The
result of back-translation also depends on environment and
configuration.
It might sound like a bunch of mess to you. Yes, we should realize
that we are facing a difficult problem.
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