On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Sravya Tirukkovalur <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:31 PM, David Nalley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Arvind and Patrick, >> >> Sorry for the lag, I've been traveling internationally a lot, and lost >> sight of this thread. >> >> The concern that Joe and I raised several months back is about where >> project direction and other decisions are being set. >> >> Work was being done, reviews happening in public, but there didn't >> seem to be any discussion on future direction of the project, new >> features, new integrations. They'd show up as bugs in Jira, and then >> code started appearing. >> >> There's been some change since those concerns were raised. [1][2]are >> nice examples. >> >> When Sravya and I were talking in Budapest, she indicated that there >> were a number of Hangouts/phone calls happening where things were >> being discussed, and potentially even being decided. I didn't know >> these were taking place. I asked that at a minimum that folks bring >> back discussions to the mailing list. (See email from end of >> September) I also suggested that maybe instead of 2-5 people going off >> and setting up a hangout or conference call that the project have it's >> own call, known to everyone, with open invites so that others could >> attend, and meeting notes kept. >> >> > David, > > I think I should make it clear this interpretation is just way > extrapolated from the conversation we had. I do not know what exact wording > I used, but in no way it was supposed to mean "potentially even being > decided". We were brainstorming what else can we do to build community and > facilitate communication. > > A few times people reached out to me directly if they require quick and > high bandwidth feedback, it has mostly been around a particular comment on > RB on which they are working on. And even in those cases, the clarified > version is put on the review board and communication is continued on the > jira/RB. I did prompt them to ask on public channel the next time. I > personally thought I was helping them by being available when they needed. > But I thought your idea of having scheduled hangouts might help so that > people who might be hesitant to reach out directly or ask on dev list to > ask questions. But if answering people's questions when they reach out was > not an Apache Way, I apologize for it. It will entirely be my mistake. > > > I am sure the interpretation was not intentional, but thought it was necessary for me to clarify. Thanks again for acknowledging the efforts community is putting in! Also, I do believe having too much restrictions on having one on one conversations might be counter productive for the community, thats just my opinion. I agree with CS50[1] in the maturity model that all important discussions should happen on public channel. And that we should bring back the conversations to the public channel when ever there is any private discussion which can impact the community. But not sure if *all* discussions should be required to be brought back to the list. How would we enforce this if we have conversations with many different people in conferences and meetups? Have every one document each 1:1 interaction? [1]: https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html#fnref-d9e7a517f046358463f038f3830fef171e69f78b >> --David >> >> >> [1] >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201508.mbox/%3ccacmn7iyscd91spqgaeb+wre1r0mv-ubcj0tj6gpdecy3hwp...@mail.gmail.com%3e >> [2] >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/sentry-dev/201508.mbox/%3cCACMN7iyPyq3zgMm93w32Q6z6Ka=eqpyr6gqqxf_-mc4r+ef...@mail.gmail.com%3e >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Arvind Prabhakar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Sravya, David - >> > >> > Could either one of you outline what objective criteria is yet to be >> met by >> > the project so that it can be ready for graduation? Pardon my lack of >> > understanding of something that may be obvious to you, but I see a fully >> > functional project community that is trying their best to make progress >> > while doing a great job at self governance. What am I missing? >> > >> > Regards, >> > Arvind Prabhakar >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Sravya Tirukkovalur < >> [email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks for writing this up David! It was great meeting you yesterday, >> and >> >> it is always good to get some face time with the community too! >> >> >> >> Thanks for acknowledging the progress and giving some valuable >> suggestions >> >> on community building and transparency! >> >> >> >> I will follow up on the action items in separate email threads once I >> get >> >> back home from the conference. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, David Nalley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi folks, >> >> > >> >> > I had the chance to meet and talk with Sravya today at ApacheCon and >> >> > talk about the project, and I wanted to bring that conversation back >> >> > to the list. Others should feel free to weigh in, but mainly didn't >> >> > want to just be discussing this in isolation. >> >> > >> >> > First, we discussed how the project has changed over the past few >> >> > months, and I think that we agreed that we think it's moving in the >> >> > right direction, with a lot more obvious discussions happening on the >> >> > dev list, but still plenty of room to improve. >> >> > >> >> > We also talked about some things we can do going forward to move the >> >> > project further along, and walked away with some action items. >> >> > >> >> > 1. Start writing up quick summaries from Hangouts/phone calls that >> are >> >> > happening regarding the project, so that everyone has some visibility >> >> > into what is happening. We also discussed the possibility of the >> >> > project holding a regularly scheduled hangout or IRC meeting that >> >> > folks can attend. >> >> > >> >> 2. Reach out to mentors for proactive help on growing the community. >> >> > (I explicitly volunteered Joe Brockmeier and myself to jump on a >> >> > hangout/webex/IRC/ML Discussion to see if we can help in this regard) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> > We also talked about the graduation process, and talked about what >> >> > needs to happen in that process when we are ready for it. We briefly >> >> > touched on project diversity, and what we both viewed as the current >> >> > status of the project. >> >> > >> >> > --David >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sravya Tirukkovalur >> >> >> > > > > -- > Sravya Tirukkovalur > -- Sravya Tirukkovalur
