The dumping continues on Zookeeper and resources - I've got a few more to post, will get into a little on the simple, fast, correct way things are meant to regarding Zookeeper after a little more of the trouble and then jump over to something else.
On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 9:10 AM Mark Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, I've got a few videos to start, first one up, things will kind of > ramp a bit. Plenty of text and break out and code lined up, > being organized, edited, etc, but I'll shotgun into some overview videos in > the various parent topics before that all fills in. Short initial one in, > plenty coming on ZooKeeper and related. > > https://github.com/markrmiller/solr/issues/2 > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 3:56 AM Mark Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Okay Ilan, you seem like a reasonable guy, smart guy, don't yet have a >> defensive posture towards the state of the world, preconceived biases >> against me - let's try to trip the light fantastic and hard crash this >> thing.The slow roll I'm wrapping up can fill in. >> >> I'm gonna link bombs and jet around a bit. >> >> Let's kind of root of this at "shards with no leader, replicas not >> recovering, non functional Overseer etc" >> >> You can't really get anywhere without that at least workable. You can't >> get to scale and performance and understandability and many necessary >> improvements without it at least semi solid. You can't obtain reliability >> and greatness without it being ridiculously solid. To test and verify and >> explore that, you'll have quite a challenge avoiding joining my contest. So >> it's a good lead. But also, it's an undercurrent through the system. The >> connections and loop backs and dependencies and cycles - you can try to say >> what about this or that, but in the end we end up talking about the same >> thing. The core behavior of the whole thing, that underpins and connects >> everything. That can be addressed in many different ways, keeping things, >> removing things, changing things - you could do it many ways. "The overseer >> is not the problem", it must sound funny to you. But the Overseer as a >> concept has no problem. Even the poor current design can essentially work. >> 30 designs can work better, other designs can work too. The root issues >> around it don't stop at its borders. Anyway, let's do it. I'll dump the >> path here. Let's try to blast a litte. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:16 AM Ilan Ginzburg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Do you consider performance/scale of SolrCloud or corectness (shards with >>>> no leader, replicas not recovering, non functional Overseer etc) as the >>>> most important areas for improvement if we were to move to a v2? >>>> >>>> >>>> Ilan >>>> >>>> Le sam. 10 avr. 2021 à 22:37, Mark Miller <[email protected]> a >>>> écrit : >>>> >>>>> Now a I was saying ... SolrCloud2. Well, some people don’t like the >>>>> name - fair enough - I don’t like purple much and I didn’t invent >>>>> either... >>>>> so Solr2. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have some thoughts, a few things to offer. Yes, the guy behind a lot >>>>> of the current garbage. They asked me my thoughts on this thing on day one >>>>> - I told them I don’t have a single one, let me have a go and I’ll get >>>>> back >>>>> to you. Done and done. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So yeah, Solr2. Wait, what’s that ... ? Loud dance floor out here - if >>>>> I could have the floor for just a moment. I’ve put just a little bit of >>>>> time and effort in before grabbing the mic. A modicum. My ego, my job, my >>>>> status, my history, really not part of the equation, so if I could request >>>>> a few lines before the rebuttal and correction and redirection. No >>>>> hurry for those things, they are patient characters. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, give me a moment, and in return I’ll spare you the long winded >>>>> diversions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Having considered Solr2 for some time, I see all kinds of roadblocks >>>>> and restraints and limitations. I see a path fraught with the potential to >>>>> mimic previous paths. And my goodness, I’m getting old. Fresh, promising >>>>> paths please. So Ive invested some time and effort to establish an escape >>>>> route from the safe, conservative hack and slash through the jungle that >>>>> gets less safe the deeper we dive. I’d simply tell you about it, but >>>>> jungle >>>>> stories are all heart and no soul and we will all trade them all day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So I’ve got some notes and code and maps and journals and crap >>>>> instead. Compiled from a couple expeditions. From before spelunking made >>>>> me >>>>> an old man. So my machete isn’t solo diving any new trails, single >>>>> handedly >>>>> slaying jungle cats any longer. The blade just keeps getting duller. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But I’ve got these previous materials. I’ll lay them out. Take a look. >>>>> If we can explore and discuss with just a passing courtesy of respect for >>>>> our relative time and investment and focus put in before letting loose, >>>>> I’m >>>>> sure we can move beyond basic software counter meandering quickly enough >>>>> to >>>>> actually enter the jungle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’ll try and lay out some evidence to help here. For instance, that >>>>> zookeeper is not the issue. That the overseer is not the issue. That >>>>> modules and multitudes of features are not the issue. Previous efforts are >>>>> not the issue. Object oriented development and agile frameworks are not >>>>> the >>>>> issue. And yet all remain pertinent software development conversation. >>>>> Bike >>>>> shed rainbows. You can make beautiful multicolored bike sheds with all of >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But discuss colors with someone else please. I can’t do it anymore. But >>>>> I can discuss some jungle hack and slash momentum and trail blazing. Give >>>>> me a moment. Time is fairly irrelevant on this dance floor. Tomorrow. Next >>>>> year. 3 years. Solr 42. It’s all the same timeline when the time comes. >>>>> Hell, my brain feels equally everywhere in all the timelines anyway. So >>>>> one >>>>> moment, and I’ll point you to my speech, my journals, my old jungle dune >>>>> buggy - I did spend a moment or two once or twice preparing the damn thing >>>>> - just a moment or two, just 1, 2 or 3 times - and then the microphone is >>>>> all yours. But please, don’t talk to me about rainbows or shades of >>>>> magenta, I’m a jungle explorer, not a Sherwin Williams employee. Don’t >>>>> cover me with paint - I’m a roto spinning paint spewing machine. And I’d >>>>> love to spare you the paint ball war as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Links coming. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - Mark >>>>> >>>>> http://about.me/markrmiller >>>>> >>>> -- >>> - Mark >>> >>> http://about.me/markrmiller >>> >> > > -- > - Mark > > http://about.me/markrmiller > -- - Mark http://about.me/markrmiller
