On Tuesday 17 June 2008 18:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> > it still seems more likely that eFax.com is not spamming, but sends what
> > some people think is spam,

I chuckle at this :) If they think it is Spam, it is spam for all intents and 
purposes if you are the email administrator or ISP trying to keep your 
cusomter, or trying to stop them from switching to your competitor..

But it brings up the important SA philosophy discussion, is SA meant to block 
UBE (Unwanted Bulk Email) or Spam?  The former includes email marketing 
companies.. CAN Spam compliant <sic> or not.. 

Most end users are not always the brightest bulbs.. signing up for free 
horoscopes, or buying on line and not noticing the fine print.. but when they 
get on a marketers email list, often it makes their inbox unusable..

Email marketing has reached the point where statistically at some ISP's over 
15% of all traffic is from email marketers..  When a typical ISP can easily 
block over 85% via commonly available tools including SA and freely available 
IP reputation tools, that 15% if it isn't stopped by those tools then becomes 
easily over 50% of the delivered email.. 

And I can personally attest to the poor people who feel like victims that were 
reaching over 95% of their inbox filled with email marketing, that did not 
believe any more that clicking 'unsubscribe' would help (and often they 
believe is a trick) until they starting blocking email marketing.

SA I think needs to carefully consider it's role in this arena, and as you can 
see lately with the threads about habeas listed companies, efax, (and I could 
add info on many notorious marketing companies who 'claim' to be the good 
guys as well) that possibly a firm position statement on this issue is in 
order..

I think any form of 'whitelisting' email marketing companies personally, will 
lead to more of these discussions..

Jim, you want to lead off?

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