In this vein I would also change the side navigation from: CDH Requirements
to Requirements in the long term if we have multiple walk throughs for different distributions we can create subsections. On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:35 PM Austin Leahy <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Jon! > > I agree and think you have articulated the complexities of the problem > very well. > For the record here is the exact phrase: > > *"This installation guide assumes that a cluster with HDFS is running > CDH."* > > I think that we could probably tweak this slightly and get where we need > to be. > > If I can get some +1's I will make a change and submit a PR to the > asf-site branch that modifies this to read: > > *"This version of the installation guide has been validated for clusters > with HDFS running CDH."* > > A > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:05 PM Jon Zeolla <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Just for clarity, because it took a minute or two of clicking around, I >> think this <http://spot.incubator.apache.org/doc/#cdh> is what is being >> discussed here. >> >> As a member of the both the Spot and Metron communities, I can say that >> simplifying or automating deployment and configuration of either of these >> two projects is an extremely heavy lift. At the same time, doing so is >> essential to reducing the barrier to entry for new users and increasing >> adoption. >> >> Minimizing the variability of the platform that either of these projects >> run on top of is critical to actually getting them off the ground, which >> is >> why it appears they have both chosen a single platform to leverage and >> haven't yet grown from there. I could very easily see a point in the >> future where either project has expanded beyond a single platform, and I >> have in fact discussed this idea numerous times in the past. >> >> That said, I think the concern here is more focused on the perception of >> commercial endorsements, not specifically using a branded but open >> distribution of Apache software. On that topic, I know very little about >> the right way to approach documenting the fact that a certain platform is >> assumed without appearing to be an endorsement. I would be interested to >> receive any guidance that the ASF can provide. >> >> Jon >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:20 PM Jonathan Natkins <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > It might be worth noting that the Apache Metron page is somewhat guilty >> of >> > this, as well. In their quickstart guide, they advertise a VirtualBox VM >> > loaded with HDP: http://metron.apache.org/documentation/ >> > >> > Their installation documentation also seems to indicate that they only >> work >> > with HDP 2.4: >> > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/METRON/Metron+Installation+on+an+Ambari-Managed+Cluster >> > >> > If there's action to be taken with the Spot website, it may be >> worthwhile >> > to point the same thing out to the Metron community. >> > >> > Jonathan "Natty" Natkins >> > StreamSets | Field Engineering Director >> > mobile: 609.577.1600 <(609)%20577-1600> <(609)%20577-1600> | linkedin < >> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nattyice> >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Austin Leahy <[email protected] >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I think your point is fair. >> > > >> > > But I think that its also important to understand that as a community >> > > driven project installation on CDH is currently the only install path >> > that >> > > has been validated. >> > > >> > > Until community members begin to test and install parts of the >> platform >> > > elsewhere it is important that they understand that the docs are >> > explained >> > > from a particular context. As someone who has installed several >> different >> > > versions of hadoop including CDH I would say that there are often >> > > surprising side effects based on who's "best practice install" you >> have >> > > followed for your cluster. >> > > >> > > My meta question would be; is there a foundation requirement that >> would >> > > lead us to prioritize basic setup and configuration specifically on >> the >> > > apache sources? This would probably derail several of the current >> > "install >> > > & config" initiatives. >> > > >> > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:47 PM Ted Dunning <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > (To avoid confusion, please note that I am speaking as just me here, >> > not >> > > a >> > > > director, nor as VP Incubator) >> > > > >> > > > On the Spot incubating web site, there is a nav element on the left >> > > labeled >> > > > "CDH Requirements". That doesn't seem to me to be appropriate >> because >> > is >> > > > looks like a commercial endorsement. >> > > > >> > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this? >> > > > >> > > >> > >> -- >> >> Jon >> >
