+1 (non-binding) Michael Ridley Senior Solutions Architect Cloudera
Sent from my mobile. Pardon any spelling errors. > On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Austin Leahy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please validate and approve PR 40 > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-spot/pull/40 > > Contains one additional change not previously mentioned on line 159 > > the recommended deployment of CDH > the community validated deployment of CDH > > thanks to @tdunning for bringing this up, as I read into the statements I > believe that he is correct about the tacit endorsement. Particularly in the > case of 159 where the sentence can easily be misread this way. > > Thanks > > Austin > >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:21 PM Alan Ross <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> +1 good catch guys. >> >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:59 PM, [email protected] < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> El 27/04/2017 8:35 p. m., "Austin Leahy" <[email protected]> escribió: >>> >>>> Thanks Jon! >>>> >>>> I agree and think you have articulated the complexities of the problem >>> very >>>> well. >>>> For the record here is the exact phrase: >>>> >>>> *"This installation guide assumes that a cluster with HDFS is running >>>> CDH."* >>>> >>>> I think that we could probably tweak this slightly and get where we >> need >>> to >>>> be. >>>> >>>> If I can get some +1's I will make a change and submit a PR to the >>> asf-site >>>> branch that modifies this to read: >>>> >>>> *"This version of the installation guide has been validated for >> clusters >>>> with HDFS running CDH."* >>>> >>>> A >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:05 PM Jon Zeolla <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just for clarity, because it took a minute or two of clicking >> around, I >>>>> think this <http://spot.incubator.apache.org/doc/#cdh> is what is >>> being >>>>> discussed here. >>>>> >>>>> As a member of the both the Spot and Metron communities, I can say >> that >>>>> simplifying or automating deployment and configuration of either of >>> these >>>>> two projects is an extremely heavy lift. At the same time, doing so >> is >>>>> essential to reducing the barrier to entry for new users and >> increasing >>>>> adoption. >>>>> >>>>> Minimizing the variability of the platform that either of these >>> projects >>>>> run on top of is critical to actually getting them off the ground, >>> which >>>> is >>>>> why it appears they have both chosen a single platform to leverage >> and >>>>> haven't yet grown from there. I could very easily see a point in the >>>>> future where either project has expanded beyond a single platform, >> and >>> I >>>>> have in fact discussed this idea numerous times in the past. >>>>> >>>>> That said, I think the concern here is more focused on the perception >>> of >>>>> commercial endorsements, not specifically using a branded but open >>>>> distribution of Apache software. On that topic, I know very little >>> about >>>>> the right way to approach documenting the fact that a certain >> platform >>> is >>>>> assumed without appearing to be an endorsement. I would be >> interested >>> to >>>>> receive any guidance that the ASF can provide. >>>>> >>>>> Jon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:20 PM Jonathan Natkins < >> [email protected] >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It might be worth noting that the Apache Metron page is somewhat >>> guilty >>>>> of >>>>>> this, as well. In their quickstart guide, they advertise a >> VirtualBox >>>> VM >>>>>> loaded with HDP: http://metron.apache.org/documentation/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Their installation documentation also seems to indicate that they >>> only >>>>> work >>>>>> with HDP 2.4: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/METRON/ >>>> Metron+Installation+on+an+Ambari-Managed+Cluster >>>>>> >>>>>> If there's action to be taken with the Spot website, it may be >>>> worthwhile >>>>>> to point the same thing out to the Metron community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan "Natty" Natkins >>>>>> StreamSets | Field Engineering Director >>>>>> mobile: 609.577.1600 <(609)%20577-1600> <(609)%20577-1600> >> <(609)%20577-1600> | >>> linkedin < >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/nattyice> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Austin Leahy < >>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think your point is fair. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I think that its also important to understand that as a >>> community >>>>>>> driven project installation on CDH is currently the only install >>> path >>>>>> that >>>>>>> has been validated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Until community members begin to test and install parts of the >>>> platform >>>>>>> elsewhere it is important that they understand that the docs are >>>>>> explained >>>>>>> from a particular context. As someone who has installed several >>>>> different >>>>>>> versions of hadoop including CDH I would say that there are often >>>>>>> surprising side effects based on who's "best practice install" >> you >>>> have >>>>>>> followed for your cluster. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My meta question would be; is there a foundation requirement that >>>> would >>>>>>> lead us to prioritize basic setup and configuration specifically >> on >>>> the >>>>>>> apache sources? This would probably derail several of the current >>>>>> "install >>>>>>> & config" initiatives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:47 PM Ted Dunning <[email protected] >>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (To avoid confusion, please note that I am speaking as just me >>>> here, >>>>>> not >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> director, nor as VP Incubator) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the Spot incubating web site, there is a nav element on the >>> left >>>>>>> labeled >>>>>>>> "CDH Requirements". That doesn't seem to me to be appropriate >>>> because >>>>>> is >>>>>>>> looks like a commercial endorsement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anybody have any thoughts on this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Jon >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
