LGTM Austin. On Apr 27, 2017 8:02 PM, "Austin Leahy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Please validate and approve PR 40 > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-spot/pull/40 > > Contains one additional change not previously mentioned on line 159 > > the recommended deployment of CDH > the community validated deployment of CDH > > thanks to @tdunning for bringing this up, as I read into the statements I > believe that he is correct about the tacit endorsement. Particularly in the > case of 159 where the sentence can easily be misread this way. > > Thanks > > Austin > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:21 PM Alan Ross <[email protected]> wrote: > > > +1 good catch guys. > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:59 PM, [email protected] < > > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > El 27/04/2017 8:35 p. m., "Austin Leahy" <[email protected]> escribió: > > > > > > > Thanks Jon! > > > > > > > > I agree and think you have articulated the complexities of the > problem > > > very > > > > well. > > > > For the record here is the exact phrase: > > > > > > > > *"This installation guide assumes that a cluster with HDFS is running > > > > CDH."* > > > > > > > > I think that we could probably tweak this slightly and get where we > > need > > > to > > > > be. > > > > > > > > If I can get some +1's I will make a change and submit a PR to the > > > asf-site > > > > branch that modifies this to read: > > > > > > > > *"This version of the installation guide has been validated for > > clusters > > > > with HDFS running CDH."* > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 6:05 PM Jon Zeolla <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just for clarity, because it took a minute or two of clicking > > around, I > > > > > think this <http://spot.incubator.apache.org/doc/#cdh> is what is > > > being > > > > > discussed here. > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the both the Spot and Metron communities, I can say > > that > > > > > simplifying or automating deployment and configuration of either of > > > these > > > > > two projects is an extremely heavy lift. At the same time, doing > so > > is > > > > > essential to reducing the barrier to entry for new users and > > increasing > > > > > adoption. > > > > > > > > > > Minimizing the variability of the platform that either of these > > > projects > > > > > run on top of is critical to actually getting them off the ground, > > > which > > > > is > > > > > why it appears they have both chosen a single platform to leverage > > and > > > > > haven't yet grown from there. I could very easily see a point in > the > > > > > future where either project has expanded beyond a single platform, > > and > > > I > > > > > have in fact discussed this idea numerous times in the past. > > > > > > > > > > That said, I think the concern here is more focused on the > perception > > > of > > > > > commercial endorsements, not specifically using a branded but open > > > > > distribution of Apache software. On that topic, I know very little > > > about > > > > > the right way to approach documenting the fact that a certain > > platform > > > is > > > > > assumed without appearing to be an endorsement. I would be > > interested > > > to > > > > > receive any guidance that the ASF can provide. > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:20 PM Jonathan Natkins < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It might be worth noting that the Apache Metron page is somewhat > > > guilty > > > > > of > > > > > > this, as well. In their quickstart guide, they advertise a > > VirtualBox > > > > VM > > > > > > loaded with HDP: http://metron.apache.org/documentation/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Their installation documentation also seems to indicate that they > > > only > > > > > work > > > > > > with HDP 2.4: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/METRON/ > > > > Metron+Installation+on+an+Ambari-Managed+Cluster > > > > > > > > > > > > If there's action to be taken with the Spot website, it may be > > > > worthwhile > > > > > > to point the same thing out to the Metron community. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan "Natty" Natkins > > > > > > StreamSets | Field Engineering Director > > > > > > mobile: 609.577.1600 <(609)%20577-1600> <(609)%20577-1600> > > <(609)%20577-1600> | > > > linkedin < > > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/nattyice> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Austin Leahy < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your point is fair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I think that its also important to understand that as a > > > community > > > > > > > driven project installation on CDH is currently the only > install > > > path > > > > > > that > > > > > > > has been validated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until community members begin to test and install parts of the > > > > platform > > > > > > > elsewhere it is important that they understand that the docs > are > > > > > > explained > > > > > > > from a particular context. As someone who has installed several > > > > > different > > > > > > > versions of hadoop including CDH I would say that there are > often > > > > > > > surprising side effects based on who's "best practice install" > > you > > > > have > > > > > > > followed for your cluster. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My meta question would be; is there a foundation requirement > that > > > > would > > > > > > > lead us to prioritize basic setup and configuration > specifically > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > apache sources? This would probably derail several of the > current > > > > > > "install > > > > > > > & config" initiatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:47 PM Ted Dunning < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (To avoid confusion, please note that I am speaking as just > me > > > > here, > > > > > > not > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > director, nor as VP Incubator) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the Spot incubating web site, there is a nav element on > the > > > left > > > > > > > labeled > > > > > > > > "CDH Requirements". That doesn't seem to me to be appropriate > > > > because > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > looks like a commercial endorsement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have any thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
