Agreed.  One of our guys got hung up on that just yesterday.
It isn’t hard to track down the assembly, but it might be worth making it a bit 
easier.

Also, I’d love to see STORM-263 included in the next release.   It seems like a 
quick win.

-brian

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On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:19 AM, Kang Xiao <[email protected]> wrote:

> hi guys  
> 
> How about adding a bin/build_release.sh (http://build_release.sh) script in 
> this 0.9.2-incubating release?  
> 
> Since some guys asked the question about building storm release package more 
> than once in the mail list.  
> 
> --  
> Best Regards!
> 
> 肖康(Kang Xiao,<[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])>)
> Distributed Software Engineer
> 
> 在 2014年3月25日 星期二,1:38,Suresh Srinivas 写道:
>> Taylor, I am not very clear on "Lazy consensus +2". By this definition code
>> can committed with no +1 from a committer, right?
>> 
>> You may want to look at Hadoop bylaws -
>> https://hadoop.apache.org/bylaws.html
>> 
>> The code commits in Hadoop are consensus approval with minimum +1 from an
>> active committer and no veto. This has worked well in my experience. It may
>> be a good idea to also adapt minimum 3 +1s from active committers for
>> merging feature branches.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:22 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <[email protected] 
>> (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
>> 
>>> That brings up a good point that probably deserves a separate thread.
>>> 
>>> We should establish by-laws soon. Specifically a commit/merge policy.
>>> 
>>> For code changes, I've been operating under a "lazy consensus +2" model: 2
>>> committer +1 votes and no vetoes (-1). If a committer submits the patch,
>>> that's an implicit +1. Unless it's a somewhat urgent fix, I've been waiting
>>> for 3 binding votes and no vetoes.
>>> 
>>> That's kind of a middle ground between the traditional code modification
>>> rule and lazy consensus [1].
>>> 
>>> When wearing my "release manager" hat, I've also interpreted "code change"
>>> to mean "anything that alters the behavior of the software we produce." In
>>> terms of the build/packaging I've been a little looser. For large changes
>>> (e.g. The switch to maven), I've waited for 3 binding votes. For some
>>> changes I've committed directly -- I don't think we need to have a 3-day
>>> vote on updating the CHANGELOG, for example.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, it's something to think about. Sorry for hijacking the thread.
>>> 
>>> +1 (again ;) )
>>> 
>>> Taylor
>>> 
>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Nathan Marz <[email protected] 
>>>> (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Let's get https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/STORM-262 in there. Just
>>>> one more vote needed by a committer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Patrick Lucas <[email protected] 
>>>>> (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A fix STORM-120 would be greatly appreciated. It's making it impossible
>>> to
>>>>> increase tasks/executors > 1 when there is a downstream shuffle
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> grouping.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure why there haven't been more reports of problems with it.
>>> Two
>>>>> possibilities I can think of are that we are using exclusively shell
>>>>> components--perhaps there's a root-cause bug in those component
>>>>> classes--and
>>>>> that we are dealing with a high volume stream of large tuples.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> (thousands /
>>>>> sec, KB in size)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <[email protected] 
>>>>> (mailto:[email protected])>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Never mind... just found it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2014, at 5:09 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <[email protected] 
>>>>>>> (mailto:[email protected])>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Derek do you have an idea for a fix?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Derek Dagit <[email protected] 
>>>>>>> (mailto:[email protected])>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As I said above, this fix is the most important in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>> STORM-259 (Random#nextInt) is new to me -- can't say whether it's as
>>>>>>>>> important as STORM-187 or not.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yeah, we found it recently, and I created it this morning after
>>>>> reading
>>>>>> Taylor's mail.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> STORM-187 can be a problem with fewer than 30 retries (likelihood
>>>>>> depends on configuration), but we will hit STORM-259 when retries
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> exceeds
>>>>>> 30.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Derek
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 3/20/14, 14:18, Michael G. Noll wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On my side the most important change is, as you point out,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> STORM-187.
>>>>>>>>> The primary reason is like Adam Lewis is pointing out because it's a
>>>>>>>>> stability problem. The secondary aspect is that this issue taints
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> new Netty backend, and at least IMHO the faster Storm could
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> confidently
>>>>>>>>> bury ZeroMQ the better. :-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As I said above, this fix is the most important in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>> STORM-259 (Random#nextInt) is new to me -- can't say whether it's as
>>>>>>>>> important as STORM-187 or not.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Switching to my non-essential wishlist I'd also +1 STORM-252
>>> (Upgrade
>>>>>>>>> Curator and thus ZooKeeper to 3.4.5). We have been running ZK 3.4.5
>>>>>>>>> anyway for a couple of reasons, and it would be nice to have
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> official
>>>>>>>>> Storm support for the latest ZK version (ok, the recently released
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> ZK
>>>>>>>>> 3.4.6 is actually the latest but hey). Although I don't know how
>>>>>>>>> confident we are that the code in STORM-252 actually works, i.e.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>> integrating STORM-252 into 0.9.2 on such short notice would be
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> jumping
>>>>>>>>> the gun or a safe move.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Btw, in terms of Storm/Kafka integration Kafka is in the same boat:
>>>>>>>>> it's built against ZK 3.3.x, and LinkedIn recommends the use of ZK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3.3.4
>>>>>>>>> in the docs. There's an open ticket KAFKA-854 [1] that's basically
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> equivalent of STORM-252, but I'm not sure how actively the Kafka
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> team
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> working on that.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-854
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 03/20/2014 02:33 AM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to get this discussion started, largely because the
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "negative timeout" bug (STORM-187) really bothers me. I've not seen it
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> in
>>>>>> the wild, but I've heard of a few cases where it was enough to hinder
>>>>>> upgrading.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> HEAD looks good to me at the moment, with the major difference
>>> being
>>>>>> the zookeeper update and the patch mentioned above.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on other PRs or patches to include?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Patrick Lucas
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> http://nathanmarz.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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