My original understanding was that the podling would start as a pTLP. That
"pTLP" was a category of podling, and graduating would be the point where
we remove the "p". It does seem a little strange to go from podling -> pTLP
-> TLP. I think we started out this way to expedite getting started with
Stratos. (Correct me if I'm wrong. Might be missing/forgetting context.)
But perhaps for the next attempt, we go straight to pTLP?


On 8 August 2013 09:32, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote:

> Heh, well that wasn't quite the response i was expecting.
>
> From all the previous discussions around pTLPs we know there are some who
> really don't like the idea, i don't want this to turn into another big
> argument so I've been trying to think of ways this could happen with
> minimum of fuss. In the email at the start of this thread a suggestion was
> "propose an interim step in the incubation process. e.g. start as a
> podling, move to pTLP when certain criteria are met". I like that, but one
> problem is there is some baggage around the word "pTLP".
>
> A problem with starting the pTLP experiment from a podling is always going
> to be whats the difference between becoming a pTLP or just graduating, so a
> better understanding of that will be helpful (for me anyway) - is there
> something that has been done already since Stratos has been a podling that
> now means a pTLP makes less sense? One of those things might be the
> trademark search, but thats not yet been done for Stratos.
>
> Doing a release is being discussed but thats one of the more problematic
> activities while in the Incubator and can potentially drag on and on, so
> finding a way out before that would be good. Either via a pTLP or just
> trying for graduation and arguing that the high number of existing ASF
> people involved means the release will still be properly vetted even
> outside of the Incubator. But again that just brings me back to whats the
> difference to becoming a pTLP or just graduating?
>
>    ...ant
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Ross Gardler 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> The whole point of using Stratos as a test case for the probationary TLP
>> idea was to provide a vehicle for those who felt this was viable route to
>> incubation to demonstrate how it would work. Specifically it was intended
>> to be an opportunity to start to answer the concerns that I, and others,
>> raised about skipping the IPMC altogether.
>>
>> However, as Ant and Suresh point out, in the more than six weeks since I
>> summarized the discussions during the proposal phase the Stratos project
>> has done almost all it needs to graduate.
>>
>> I agree with Ant that at this point it makes more sense for mentors to
>> spend their time finishing incubation and graduate the project as a
>> standard podling.
>>
>> Chris and anyone else who support the pTLP idea can take the outline
>> process I pulled together from our earlier discussions (summarized at the
>> start of this thread) and apply them to some other project as their time
>> allows. It is too late to do it here. Stratos should not have to go through
>> the pain of defining a new process unless it brings benefit to the project
>> itself.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> Senior Technology Evangelist
>> Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
>> A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 August 2013 13:16, Suresh Marru <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Greg Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > Thanks, Ant. I'm on a phone right now, and have not read the
>>> background. (so, terse response). But the dev@ list is fine. In my
>>> mind, a probationary TLP is a conversation between a community and the
>>> Board. And dev@ is the community, so is the best place to discuss
>>> before bringing an idea to the Board.
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 6, 2013 1:10 AM, "ant elder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > I was wondering if the Stratos dev list is the best place to be
>>> > discussing this, there are probably interested people who aren't
>>> > subscribed or following here, though maybe general@incubator wouldn't
>>> > be ideal either. I've cc'd Chris and Greg in this email so they at
>>> > least know its here as they've expressed interest in the past.
>>> >
>>> > Ok lets do it here then.
>>> >
>>> > One of the things i'm stuggling with at the moment is what would be
>>> the differences with Stratos becoming a pTLP compared with just graduating.
>>> >
>>> > Looking at graduating, the Incubator minimum graduation requirements
>>> are documented here:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements
>>> >
>>> > With Stratos having so many of its contributors be existing ASF
>>> committers, PMC members, or ASF members it would be easy to argue for
>>> automatically ticking off many of those requirements and then not much is
>>> left to do on the graduation requirements list. The main one would be
>>> checking the "Stratos" name for trademark issues, eg someone needs to go
>>> through: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html. Once thats done
>>> then a regular resolution for graduation could be submitted to the board.
>>> >
>>> > I know that wouldn't so much help progress the pTLP topic, is that a
>>> goal of Stratos here?
>>> >
>>> >    …ant
>>>
>>> Hi Ant,
>>>
>>> This is exactly I am having the trouble getting my head around. I am
>>> seeing this as two separate issues, one furthering the topic of pTLP with
>>> Stratos as the use case. This will be a good guinea pig project with a
>>> wealth of exiting ASF and PMC members/committers. Second quick leap into
>>> graduation, which I agree is only few steps away.
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I see the project is doing very well in engaging the community, doing
>>> lot of information sharing and conducting business in mailing lists and
>>> jira.  Either pTLP or graduation, the outstanding tasks I am looking
>>> forward to see the progress: getting a release right with properly
>>> formulated license and notice files (especially for convenience binaries
>>> which bundle third party dependencies) and see working progress in removing
>>> dependence on ws02 repositories. I see now a big list of dependencies are
>>> not coming from maven central but from wso2 repos this is good to avoid.
>>> Essentially the parent pom [1] should be able to point to apache parent and
>>> remove all the repos here.
>>>
>>> Suresh
>>>
>>> [1] -
>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-stratos.git;a=blob_plain;f=pom.xml;hb=HEAD
>>
>>
>>
>


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