We do need an article explaining how to write plugins, specially how to create tags in those plugins. People email me a lot asking how to get started with a plugin.
musachy On Nov 27, 2007 12:35 PM, Philip Luppens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/27/07, Matt Raible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marketing is easy - finding the time to do it is the hard part. Maybe > > someone should write a Developer Works article on Struts Plugins? I > > say DW because it seems to have the widest reach among online > > articles. I have connections if anyone is interested in doing this. > > > > I'd also like to see Don write an article on the REST plugin - his > > presentation at ApacheCon was pretty impressive. > > Voila, that's the kind of thing that we'd need more. > > Struts 2 must be the most 'quiet' framework I have ever encountered > (for such a big & mature framework) It's like there never was a hype > fase (probably due to the webwork inheritance) - note: hype is used in > a positive. And yes, I'm as guilty as the next one for not raving > about it more on the internet (probably even more lately). > > We have quite some plugins, some have been downloaded over a 1000 > times, yet it seems unnaturally quiet on the plugin front. Is it > indeed due to 'bad marketing' ? Or do users just don't care ? > > - Phil > > > > On Nov 27, 2007 10:15 AM, Philip Luppens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 11/27/07, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I don't disagree with most of what you say here, and what Phillip says > > > > in > > > > his reply, so let me make a more concrete suggestion: make the plugin > > > > registry much more prominent on the Struts home page (that is to say, > > > > mention it at all, since I don't see it on the front page anywhere at > > > > present). > > > > > > It has a 150px wide button in yellow on the homepage [1] ;-) > > > But I agree that it might need a bit more 'marketing'. > > > > > > - Phil > > > > > > [1] http://struts.apache.org/2.x/ > > > > > > > > > > That way, it looks much more "official" and "endorsed", but > > > > still retains the benefits you outline here. Again, it's really just a > > > > matter of perception in the end, and if this helps make it look like > > > > something more than just some outside and yet completely independent > > > > entity, as does the Sourceforge project (which is at least mentioned on > > > > the home page), then that might be all that's needed to make it work. > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Frank W. Zammetti > > > > Founder and Chief Software Architect > > > > Omnytex Technologies > > > > http://www.omnytex.com > > > > AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti > > > > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology" > > > > (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1) > > > > and "JavaScript, DOM Scripting and Ajax Projects" > > > > (2007, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-816-4) > > > > Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net > > > > Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it! > > > > > > > > On Tue, November 27, 2007 11:54 am, Ted Husted wrote: > > > > > On Nov 27, 2007 11:22 AM, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> It may be nothing more than a matter of perception and nothing more, > > > > >> but > > > > >> I > > > > >> think externally-hosted projects will automatically have a > > > > >> connotation > > > > >> of > > > > >> not being "golden" as you say, no matter what else is done to say > > > > >> otherwise, as I believe happened with the Sourceforge-hosted items. > > > > >> I > > > > >> may > > > > >> be wrong, but that's what I believe to be the case. > > > > > > > > > > Not all ASF projects are "golden", and there are many "golden" > > > > > projects that have not joined the ASF. Though, quite a few ASF > > > > > projects are popular; certainly more than the average open-source > > > > > startup. One reason is probably the ASF project management style, or > > > > > the "Apache Way". > > > > > > > > > > One effect of the Apache Way is that it tends to favor a conservative > > > > > approach. We need multiple people to agree to an implementation, or at > > > > > least agree to a release, and forging that agreement can work against > > > > > innovation. > > > > > > > > > > To help promote innovation at the ASF, we even started an Apache Labs > > > > > project, so that ASF committers could experiment with new code before > > > > > proposing an actual project. But, the Apache Labs are only open to > > > > > committers, and sometimes, we want to collaborate on a codebase with > > > > > someone who isn't a committer (at least, not yet). > > > > > > > > > > An important aspect of an external project is that it makes it easier > > > > > for Struts committers to work with other volunteers, without fussing > > > > > with the ASF brouhaha. The Apache Way is a great way to manage a > > > > > mature stable project, but it is not a great way to experiment with > > > > > new plugins. > > > > > > > > > > As an Struts PMC member, I am *very* concerned about plugin > > > > > proliferation in the standard distribution, mainly because the kids > > > > > need shoes, and we don't have enough volunteer hours to apply all the > > > > > patches that people already submit. 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