Niall Pemberton wrote:
On Jan 16, 2008 3:47 PM, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Niall Pemberton wrote:
For the record I agree with Martin and in my book votes-are-votes
whoever they come from.
Well, I'm reading the bylaws right now:
Yeah and missing the wood for the trees.
Not a fair comment Niall. All people have to go on is the stated policy
of a project, of which the bylaws are a primary part of. If they aren't
an accurate reflection of the reality, there's a problem. I'm not
missing a thing, except that Struts apparently has its bylaws, and then
they have another set of "bylaws" that are actually acted upon that live
in the minds of its developers and not in the written words of the
stated bylaws. I view this is a problem.
Vetos need justification
whoever they're from and it the justification is considered valid I'm
sure it would be acted upon. +1s are easier to throw around, but I'm a
whole lot happier the more I see, again whoever they're from.
I'm in complete agreement with that, and I have ZERO doubt that binding
voters taken non-binding votes into account.
Hopefully (personal opinion coming here) people throwing a +1 on a
release means they've at least checked out the distro and tested it in
some way.
Also completely agree, doesn't matter where the +1 comes from, you'd
hope, and I'm relatively sure, that's usually the case.
> The fact that most votes I see is usually committers is
disappointing and I think you're just contributing in this debate to
putting off non-committers voting by telling them they have no value.
Absolutely not! Questioning something in a project in no way diminishes
the project, it in fact enhances it. That's what I'm doing here,
questioning and seeking clarification, which so far has been elusive. I
am in no way, shape or form telling anyone their vote has no value.
What I *AM* pointing out is that there is NO WAY TO KNOW who's vote
actually has value, and how much, because the written bylaws arguably do
not represent the reality... and I only say arguably because there's
discrepancy in whether they do apply or not, and what's been said in
this thread 100% supports that claim.
Whatever the policy/by-laws/rules/admin says is it currently working -
I would say so, except it would be nice to have more people voting.
Yes, it's working. But that's no guarantee it always will, and there's
nothing to say it couldn't work better. What I don't understand is why
there's any hesitation to get the bylaws inline with reality, whatever
that reality is. Isn't that the easy answer? Ends any debate between
Ted and Martin, shuts me up, and likely gets more people to vote because
they understand precisely what it means to do so. Forget any of the
specifics, why is that singular goal not desirable?
Niall
Frank
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