Having made the switch from 3.0 to 4.0 during the development of Trails, it took some time but was definitely worth it. I think 4.0 is a tremendous improvement over 3 for sure.
However, if 5 is basically a completely new web framework with no easy upgrade path it would be a tough pill to swallow.. I also find it rather strange that we're going to have another new IOC framework. I had just gotten to the point where I could really see the beauty of Hivemind and was considering moving Trails in that direction. But I'm probably going to sit tight until I see what Tap5 brings I guess. Like someone else pointed out, if it is really something completely different, maybe it shouldn't be called Tapestry? --- James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Howard, I know you're very innovative and all, but > doesn't this really sound > somewhat crazy to you? If you really want Tapestry > to gain acceptance, then > backward compatibility is a big issue. I jumped > into the Tapestry world > with the 4.0 release and I'm really enjoying it, but > if switching to 5.x is > going to be "VERY difficult", then I don't know if > I'll ever upgrade. > Tapestry is definitely (IMHO) very superior to the > "standard" JSF, but if it > keeps becoming a "moving target", then it will never > gain market acceptance. > The big wigs will win out because they support a > "standard." If Tapestry > has the reputation of becoming the "consultant's > framework" (as has been > said in the past) because it requires so much work > to upgrade, then it's > going to suffer. It's not that I disagree with the > direction you're > heading. It's that I don't know whether or not > changing paradigms so > drastically is a good idea for the health of the > "product" or "brand." > > I agree so far with what you're doing. I don't like > the fact that you're > switching from HiveMind to TapIoCa (that's my little > nickname for the > Tapestry IoC container), but if you don't want to be > tied to HiveMind or > don't want to be constrained by the release > schedule, then I understand > (although you're a big part of the HiveMind > community and we can easily > accommodate any changes you could need IMHO). > Anyway, this is your baby, > but if you want to gain some market share, then you > should really listen to > your users. Tapestry is starting to get a bad > reputation for not supporting > backward compatibility. Again, I think the > direction you're heading is a > good one, if you don't have to consider your current > users, but we don't > have that luxury. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:09 PM > To: Tapestry development > Subject: Re: Tapestry 5 Discussions > > Right now its impossible because there's nothing to > convert to :-) > > It will be *VERY* difficult. This isn't a slap of > new paint. Basic > paradigms are shifting around in a major way. It > would be comparable, > or perhaps even larger than, converting between JSF > and Tapestry 4. > Possibly on the order of converting from Struts to > Tapestry 4. > > On 7/27/06, Norbert Sándor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I know that it's far away, but how easy/difficult > will it be to convert > > an application from 4 to 5? > > > > Regards, > > Norbi > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > TWD Consulting, Inc. > Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant > Creator and PMC Chair, Apache Tapestry > Creator, Apache HiveMind > > Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support > and project work. http://howardlewisship.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
