Maybe there is an 80/20 rule at play here, but I've always been pretty happy with maven. But I suppose I'm not pushing the envelope that much, and maven is probably a god-send for most projects. :)

Funny I just drew a parallel to Maven and IoC systems like Spring: Industry standards that Howard hates and wants to avoid. :) :) Guess I won't be surprised if we see a Tapestry Build coming along.. :) :) for better or for worse..

but I guess I'm glad for Howard's trail blazing attitudes or we would still be using things like Struts :)

fernando



Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
On Feb 12, 2008 11:16 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
True.  You can always stop using maven.  My problem with that (purely
in my own experience) is that it replace the gawd-aweful 50K-worth-of-
ant-scripts/make-files I've inherited.  The notion of a stable
lifecycle (even if I have to do more work to lock down the plugins)
ends up being more than worth it.  But that's my own situation.  Your
mileage may vary.  Given that they're working out some issues at the
core, I guess the next step after that is to work out quality in the
plugins themselves.

Anyway, I guess this has really strayed OT.  Sorry.  It's just after
having built build system after build system in *make/jam/ant, and
seen the crap that ends up accumulating in corporate builds at my
clients, Maven still seems the cleanest way to get to reproducible AND
manageable builds.  Sad though that may sound.

I've had my fill of Maven and am anxious to move away from it.

Creating a good build is a difficult challenge for most developers.  I
think the majority of devs who take a crack at a build system are
handicapped by not knowing what they don't know.

An experienced dev can leverage the Maven Ant tools or Ivy and create
a better bulid than Maven and that's the direction I intend to go in
the future.


Christian.

On 12-Feb-08, at 13:33 , Jesse Kuhnert wrote:

I know what will make it stop though.


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