Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New Years Eve weekend.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Stephen, > > Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with > inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if so > 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the following > sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their closet > so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to Apache > and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the > project for telling jokes on Twitter?”). > > If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my side. > > Thank you very much, > Marko. > > > > > On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the crime > of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I > “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired as to > where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when > providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover, if > the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to judge > people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this statute > should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the following > “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache TinkerPop. > Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply what I > believe fall within this fuzzy category. > > > > 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of me > being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know, the > Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by modern > folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question: is > libel a violation of social norms? > > > > 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If > threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a > break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed from > his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a violation of > social norms? > > > > 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our > private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in > photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to him (I > assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to joke > (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more as I > think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never heard from > again. The question: is allowing seemingly random people on our private > mailing list in order to entrap me a violation of social norms? > > > > 4. Roy Fielding was unhappy with the fact that no one on the TinkerPop > PMC cared about danielfb@’s allegation of me being a racist. In fact, > Jorge said (I paraphrase) "that’s not racism, he’s just being silly.” He > went on to note organizations that Apache could get behind that help fight > racism — unfortunately, that fell on deaf ears. Instead, Roy Fielding went > ahead and ignored the PMC's brush off saying (I paraphrase) “I know you are > friends and its hard to punish people you’ve worked with.” This seemed odd > to me because the email prior I had said “no one ever stands up for me > because most people never understand the point I’m trying to make with my > craft.” (I consider much of the work I do ‘art’). Thus, Roy Fielding pushed > an agenda placing thoughts/emotions in colleagues that did not exist. The > question: is baiting the group so they do his 'dirty work' not a violation > of social norms? > > > > 5. Stephen Mallette and I have worked together for over a decade. It > came as a shock to me that he said nothing in favor of my person when I was > deemed a “racist” and a “nazi.” The question: is not standing up for a > friend who has been there for you for many years not a violation of social > norms? > > > > 6. Stephen Mallette knows what I was “charged with” was just some social > ploy using the rhetoric of the times to restructure power by removing those > individuals that don’t tow some party line which I was never made aware of. > While I assert these are whimsical and without merit, you know what real > charges you have against yourself, Stephen, and I won’t get into those, but > I believe you would feel much better (less social stressed) as a person if > you were to say: “letting organizations condemn people so they can steal > prestige or money from them is not right and I take my stand against it.” > As such, the question: when a person living in a glass house throws stones, > is that not a violation of social norms? > > > > 7. Stephen Mallette knows very well the quality of Josh Shinavier’s > contributions and the hollowness of his promises as over the years we have > joked many times about it. So why would he be put on the PMC right after I > was removed as you and I both know he is a “do-nothing” (says but never > does). Was this a way for you to slow down the project as for many years > you have been pushing off TinkerPop4 for reasons I’m unsure of (aging? > corporate force?). Regardless, the question: is using an unsuspecting > (arguably socially inept) person as a pawn in a social game to secure an > outcome for yourself not a violation of a social norm? > > > > If the 7 points I made above are all considered legitimate behaviors > that do not violate Apache’s unspecified “social norm” statute, then I > believe this statute should be revised given the composition of this > organization — in particular, lifelong programmers typically lack the > sophisticated circuitry necessary to comprehend and thrive in socially > nuanced environments. If the argument is that not having such mental > circuitry is their fault and thus, deserve the wrath wrought by violating > social norms, then may you hear my retort: them not having such abilities > may be because they are too busy coding (creating the environment for those > mingling in social norms to have jobs) to be concerned with the ‘flavor of > the day’ words/jokes/etc. > > > > @Stephen, as PMC Chair, I ask that you consider my argument and, in good > faith, argue it to the board given that Roy Fielding never responded to any > of my emails — simply decreed and went about his life. Worse, had me > removed from mailing lists so I couldn’t make my argument. If there is > other information you need from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. If more > “social violation norm” examples in Apache are necessary, I can provide > them. Many individuals in our society have been attacked in recent times > and I feel it is a great social injustice and to allow it to continue would > be detrimental to the creative spirit that allows great open source > software to flourish. > > > > Thank you, > > Marko A. Rodriguez > > > > > >
