Marko, would you be open to a one-on-one conversation with me over video chat?
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:05 AM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the update. I opened up my email this morning to ping: > > “Any updates? I can’t believe open source software has come to > this. I look back and think, once you took your recent corporate position > and then were put on the Apache Board, it turned a once great software > development team, never mired in politics, into secret backdoor discussions > of what I can only presume to be of the nature “What does he know? More > than what he mentioned? **k that guy! We’re Apache — we're not going to be > held hostage by some Nazi racist!” Stephen, you would be surprised by who > has connected with me after hearing of Apache’s move to remove me from my > project. The people you have allied yourself with (for whatever reason) are > not of the caliber of person that I know you to be. I’ve known you for 15 > years now, working closely in harmony over numerous companies, and while > I’m aware of your life stresses and what that can do to a man, I’m certain > you are not of their breed. Don’t sully your soul by remaining entangled > with an organization that was once the life blood of open source software > and now, given all I’ve seen with my situation with them and have come to > learn from other, also its death. Good luck to you, old friend — I will > continue to remain in my holding pattern.” > > Take care, > Marko. > > > > On Jan 7, 2022, at 4:28 AM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi Marko, I know this thread is a week old at this point. I just wanted > to > > let you know it's not being ignored. Thank you for your patience. > > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Understood. > >> > >> Marko. > >> > >>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Please allow some more time for a reply as I've been away for the New > >> Years > >>> Eve weekend. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:50 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hey Stephen, > >>>> > >>>> Any movement on what I presented below? Meaning, do you 1.) agree with > >>>> inconsistent application of the “violated social norms” clause and if > so > >>>> 2.) do you plan to argue my point ‘in good faith’ (meaning, the > >> following > >>>> sentiment resonates with you: "every person has skeletons in their > >> closet > >>>> so why I are we attacking Marko after contributing his PhD work to > >> Apache > >>>> and then spending over a decade developing it only to kick him off the > >>>> project for telling jokes on Twitter?”). > >>>> > >>>> If you don’t agree, then please tell me so I can move forward on my > >> side. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you very much, > >>>> Marko. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> As you all may know, I was recently removed from TinkerPop for the > >> crime > >>>> of “being a Nazi troll.” When arguing I’m not a Nazi, I was told I > >>>> “violated social norms.” Assuming I violated social norms, I inquired > >> as to > >>>> where such social norms are specified as I never signed anything when > >>>> providing TinkerPop to Apache that mentioned ’social norms'. Moreover, > >> if > >>>> the crime of violating social norms is in fact how Apache wishes to > >> judge > >>>> people for the sake of removal by committee, then I believe this > statute > >>>> should be applied fairly and equally. Thus, please review the > following > >>>> “social norm violations” made by people in Apache and on Apache > >> TinkerPop. > >>>> Given that social norms are not specified anywhere, I offer simply > what > >> I > >>>> believe fall within this fuzzy category. > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Roy Fielding stating I’m a Nazi troll. When asked for evidence of > me > >>>> being part of the Nazi party, none was presented. As far as I know, > the > >>>> Nazi party dissolved post WW2 and seems to exist as a word use by > modern > >>>> folk to remove people they dislike from their positions. The question: > >> is > >>>> libel a violation of social norms? > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. Sam Ruby in the past had threatened me with physical violence. If > >>>> threat of violence is not breaking social norms then that seems like a > >>>> break from social norms in and of itself. Thus, was Sam Ruby removed > >> from > >>>> his position in Apache? The question: is threat of violence a > violation > >> of > >>>> social norms? > >>>>> > >>>>> 3. danielfb@ is the mysterious character that had access to our > >>>> private@tinkerpop mailing list and said that a picture I made in > >>>> photoshop of one of my chickens in WW2 regalia was “offensive” to him > (I > >>>> assume ‘him' given the name ‘daniel’). My response was initially to > joke > >>>> (as I do), but then continued with (I paraphrase) “let’s talk more as > I > >>>> think you will find me to be a jokester.” That man was never heard > from > >>>> again. The question: is allowing seemingly random people on our > private > >>>> mailing list in order to entrap me a violation of social norms? > >>>>> > >>>>> 4. Roy Fielding was unhappy with the fact that no one on the > TinkerPop > >>>> PMC cared about danielfb@’s allegation of me being a racist. In fact, > >>>> Jorge said (I paraphrase) "that’s not racism, he’s just being silly.” > He > >>>> went on to note organizations that Apache could get behind that help > >> fight > >>>> racism — unfortunately, that fell on deaf ears. Instead, Roy Fielding > >> went > >>>> ahead and ignored the PMC's brush off saying (I paraphrase) “I know > you > >> are > >>>> friends and its hard to punish people you’ve worked with.” This seemed > >> odd > >>>> to me because the email prior I had said “no one ever stands up for me > >>>> because most people never understand the point I’m trying to make with > >> my > >>>> craft.” (I consider much of the work I do ‘art’). Thus, Roy Fielding > >> pushed > >>>> an agenda placing thoughts/emotions in colleagues that did not exist. > >> The > >>>> question: is baiting the group so they do his 'dirty work' not a > >> violation > >>>> of social norms? > >>>>> > >>>>> 5. Stephen Mallette and I have worked together for over a decade. It > >>>> came as a shock to me that he said nothing in favor of my person when > I > >> was > >>>> deemed a “racist” and a “nazi.” The question: is not standing up for a > >>>> friend who has been there for you for many years not a violation of > >> social > >>>> norms? > >>>>> > >>>>> 6. Stephen Mallette knows what I was “charged with” was just some > >> social > >>>> ploy using the rhetoric of the times to restructure power by removing > >> those > >>>> individuals that don’t tow some party line which I was never made > aware > >> of. > >>>> While I assert these are whimsical and without merit, you know what > real > >>>> charges you have against yourself, Stephen, and I won’t get into > those, > >> but > >>>> I believe you would feel much better (less social stressed) as a > person > >> if > >>>> you were to say: “letting organizations condemn people so they can > steal > >>>> prestige or money from them is not right and I take my stand against > >> it.” > >>>> As such, the question: when a person living in a glass house throws > >> stones, > >>>> is that not a violation of social norms? > >>>>> > >>>>> 7. Stephen Mallette knows very well the quality of Josh Shinavier’s > >>>> contributions and the hollowness of his promises as over the years we > >> have > >>>> joked many times about it. So why would he be put on the PMC right > >> after I > >>>> was removed as you and I both know he is a “do-nothing” (says but > never > >>>> does). Was this a way for you to slow down the project as for many > years > >>>> you have been pushing off TinkerPop4 for reasons I’m unsure of (aging? > >>>> corporate force?). Regardless, the question: is using an unsuspecting > >>>> (arguably socially inept) person as a pawn in a social game to secure > an > >>>> outcome for yourself not a violation of a social norm? > >>>>> > >>>>> If the 7 points I made above are all considered legitimate behaviors > >>>> that do not violate Apache’s unspecified “social norm” statute, then I > >>>> believe this statute should be revised given the composition of this > >>>> organization — in particular, lifelong programmers typically lack the > >>>> sophisticated circuitry necessary to comprehend and thrive in socially > >>>> nuanced environments. If the argument is that not having such mental > >>>> circuitry is their fault and thus, deserve the wrath wrought by > >> violating > >>>> social norms, then may you hear my retort: them not having such > >> abilities > >>>> may be because they are too busy coding (creating the environment for > >> those > >>>> mingling in social norms to have jobs) to be concerned with the > ‘flavor > >> of > >>>> the day’ words/jokes/etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> @Stephen, as PMC Chair, I ask that you consider my argument and, in > >> good > >>>> faith, argue it to the board given that Roy Fielding never responded > to > >> any > >>>> of my emails — simply decreed and went about his life. Worse, had me > >>>> removed from mailing lists so I couldn’t make my argument. If there is > >>>> other information you need from me, please don’t hesitate to ask. If > >> more > >>>> “social violation norm” examples in Apache are necessary, I can > provide > >>>> them. Many individuals in our society have been attacked in recent > times > >>>> and I feel it is a great social injustice and to allow it to continue > >> would > >>>> be detrimental to the creative spirit that allows great open source > >>>> software to flourish. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you, > >>>>> Marko A. Rodriguez > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >
