Hi David, As a TinkerPop community member, I appreciate the time and effort you contribute to our project and to the Apache Foundation, understanding that there are a lot of volunteer hours contributed.
However, agreeing with the others who have responded, I am surprised at how pessimistic your assessment of the community and the overall project are. I thought one function of Incubation was to provide the opportunity for a community to learn and grow in the Apache Way. Looking at the dimensions listed below from the Apache Way description, can you articulate in what ways socially or technically we are falling short in each area so that we can discuss and make attempts, if necessary, at addressing your's and other's concerns ? - collaborative software development - commercial-friendly standard license - consistently high quality software - respectful, honest, technical-based interaction - faithful implementation of standards - security as a mandatory feature http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html Thanks, On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Jason Plurad <[email protected]> wrote: > If there are specific points in the Apache Way where TinkerPop is failing, > let's get those listed out publicly on the dev list. That is step #1 in > order to get them addressed. I'd also want to learn more about how the > mentors have been teaching and leading the process since January. I wish > such a provocative post would have had more context around it from the > mentor perspective. > > I was fortunate enough to have a chance to meet with almost all of the > TinkerPop committers (and many Cassandra committers) last week at the > Cassandra Summit. I asked how they felt about being in Apache, and other > than the long delays on voting, they seemed pretty excited to be on board. > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Matthias Broecheler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > +1 > > Not being intimately involved with the Apache foundation and its > processes, > > this conclusion comes out of the blue for me and it would be hugely > > valuable to understand the reasoning behind it. > > Being a consumer of Tinkerpop and not a committer, I have been quite > > impressed with the rapid rate of innovation that the project exhibited > > while growing the community. > > > > Thanks, > > Matthias > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015, 11:42 AM Matt Frantz <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > As Dylan suggests, I'd appreciate more details on "the Apache Way" and > > why, > > > specifically, TinkerPop has not aligned thus far. This is my first > > > experience at incubation, so any examples of successful incubations and > > how > > > they differ from TinkerPop would seem to be relevant. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Matt > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Dylan Millikin < > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I know there was a very long discussion around this posted a while > back > > > but > > > > maybe it would be good to break that down here for those of us that > > > haven't > > > > had the time to go through the entire thing (e.g. why you reached > that > > > > conclusion). > > > > > > > > This would certainly make the dialogue easier. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Dylan. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Rich Bowen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 2015 3:08 PM, "David Nalley" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > A number of the mentors (Daniel, Rich, and I), along with several > > > > > > other IPMC members were in Budapest for ApacheCon; while there we > > > > > > discussed the state of > > > > > > Tinkerpop, it's incubation, and a number of other topics. I > wanted > > to > > > > > > bring one of those topics here to foster a larger discussion, and > > > > > > perhaps for the community to decide on a way forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > After a lot of deliberation and thinking both together and > > > > > > individually, I think we reached an inflection point for > ourselves. > > > > > > While I don't want to speak for the others, > > > > > > I will state my opinion. I think it's become apparent that > > Tinkerpop > > > > > > as a project and a community is not a fit for the Apache Software > > > > > > Foundation, and I see little potential for that to change. > > > > > > This is not a statement that Tinkerpop is bad or evil. The ASF > > isn't > > > > > > the only place projects live to be successful, nor is the Apache > > Way > > > > > > the only method that successful projects adopt. > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, the ASF cares deeply about it's existing culture and > > that > > > > > > the communities that are here adopt "the Apache Way"; that's > > actually > > > > > > a core tenant to accomplish during incubation. That leads > > > > > > me (speaking only for myself) to believe that you would thrive > > better > > > > > > elsewhere, rather than chafing and being unhappy, and eventually > > > > > > failing to graduate. > > > > > > > > > > > > --David > > > > > > > > > > David expresses this as just his own opinion, but we did discuss > and > > > > draft > > > > > this together. I want to reiterate that we think you have an > amazing > > > > > project and a great community, but that the fit doesn't seem to be > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Have a good one, > Jason >
