Hi Roberto, JL already has some work which is close to be imported in Geronimo dedicated project so maybe ensure you don't duplicate the effort here. Also we'll need to have a tomee MP module (which can compiles or assemble modules) on Java 8 otherwise we can't support any MP spec since they all require java 8 quite hardly in their API so probably time to add to apache-tomee module a mp assembly which would import java 8 modules (vs wp and fp will not).
Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance> 2018-02-27 15:38 GMT+01:00 Roberto Cortez <radcor...@yahoo.com.invalid>: > > Hi, > Thank you for the discussion. > I do believe that we should provide a MP 1.3 implementation under TomEE 7. > As we know, moving from major versions is sometimes slow in a lot of > organizations, even if the upgrade only requires a zip file. > So, I'll look into integrating some of the work under TomEE 7 and then 8. > Cheers,Roberto On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 9:02:44 AM GMT, Romain > Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2018-02-22 9:45 GMT+01:00 Gurkan Erdogdu <gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com. > invalid>: > > > Even if we use IRC or similar tools, we need to get all of these > > discussion to our mailing lists. ASF main idea is to use the mailing > lists > > for these discussions. I think such decisions taken from other places > > really kills the projects and community > > > > You read it wrong, the decisions have been done on the list the asf way. > The community and user activity doesn't always go through the list since it > requires steps to enter whereas twitter and irc are no step - guess it is > why we miss activities on the list. > > > > > > CheersGurkan > > > > On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 11:38:02 AM GMT+3, Romain Manni-Bucau > < > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2018-02-22 9:35 GMT+01:00 Gurkan Erdogdu <gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com. > > invalid>: > > > > > >>>After all the same (active!) people are involved in most of those > > > projects anyway. When you have lots of similar projects, it is not easy > > to > > > create and maintain the healthy community , only couple of active > > > developers works on these projects without general community consensus > . > > I > > > prefer to have one project which covers all of these similar > > technologies. > > > > > > > Except it doesn't work in practise I think - we tried and failed - cause > > communities are actually different. Sadly it goes through IRC/twitter a > lot > > and seems mails are no more mainstream but core dev are the same, users > are > > not. > > If we see a cost we can't pay we'll probably merge them but it is clearly > > not the case today so no real point merging them and loosing users. > > > > > > > > > > CheersGurkan > > > On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 11:10:57 AM GMT+3, Mark Struberg > > > <strub...@yahoo.de.INVALID> wrote: > > > > > > > 4. Hammock: real MP server based on cdi (tomee cant be that) > > > Well, MP defines just a _minimal_ requirement and a set of additional > > > technologies.TomEE can easily implement these and call itself a > > > MicroProfile server. > > > BUT: it will be really hard to trim down TomEE to this bare minimum > what > > > the MP specification defines. It will always be bigger than Meecrowave > or > > > Hammock! But does 'bigger' mean fat? No, 40MB is certainly more weight > > than > > > 9MB, but in most cases it doesn't even matter.In some it does though. > > > > > > > > > For me there is a clear and concise way of scaling: > > > * if you only need servlets and no DI -> use pure Tomcat * if you also > > > need CDI and JAX-RS -> use Meecrowave (or Hammock)* if you need XA, > > JAX-WS, > > > EJB, etc -> use TomEE > > > After all the same (active!) people are involved in most of those > > projects > > > anyway. > > > LieGrue,strub > > > On Thursday, 22 February 2018, 07:54:27 CET, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gurkan, > > > > > > All has clarified after your mail: > > > > > > 1. Geronimo: ee* umbrella project for subspec > > > 2. Meecrowave: light cxf/tomcat/johnzon/owb server (no MP target by > > > itself!), name is not even on the website. > > > 3. TomEE: javaee server + tomee or RA specific projects > > > 4. Hammock: real MP server based on cdi (tomee cant be that) > > > > > > So there is no real confusion since the overlaps are very small once > you > > > checked out the projects IMHO. > > > > > > Le 22 févr. 2018 07:43, "Gurkan Erdogdu" <gurkanerdo...@yahoo.com. > > invalid> > > > a écrit : > > > > > > Hi allSeveral months ago I advised to create another profile under > TomEE > > > (or create another TLP project) instead of duplicating the work in > > > Meecrowave project but Romain and Mark rejected. Now, come to the same > > > point :) There are lots of separate projects (or subprojects, or > modules) > > > in Apache (Geronimo, TomEE, Meecrowave. I think all of these modules > must > > > belong to TomEE. Lots of users are confused with this > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/9d6058ba109f27cd74c29cd93bebfc > > > e29160145723407e203e43d145@%3Cdev.openwebbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > > > CheersGurkan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 12:41:19 AM GMT+3, Romain > Manni-Bucau > > < > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Le 21 févr. 2018 22:33, "Bruno Baptista" <bruno...@gmail.com> a > écrit : > > > > > > Hi All, > > > Is it a given that in the future we will use on TomEE both: > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/geronimo-config > > > https://github.com/apache/geronimo-safeguard > > > > > > Can we assume that from now on? > > > > > > > > > In the MP distro probably yes. Stack (dependencies) will pby be refined > > for > > > safeguard since current one is not that friendly for tomee IMHO - > tomcat > > > classloading part + size - but not yet a blocker. Config is good for a > > > tomee-mp. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Bruno Baptista > > > http://twitter.com/brunobat_ > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21-02-2018 18:49, Roberto Cortez wrote: > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I've been looking a little bit in how to use some of the existent > > Apache > > > > MP implementations with TomEE and here are some ideas / conclusions. > > > > MicroProfile Configuration:Using https://github.com/apache/ > > > geronimo-config > > > . > > > > Just adding the jar, plus API to TomEE libs seems to be enough. > > > > MicroProfile Fault Tolerance:Using https://github > > > > .com/apache/geronimo-safeguard. Added the jars and the API to TomEE > > libs > > > > and also required to set TomEE configuration > tomee.webapp.classloader. > > > enrichment.prefixes > > > > to safeguard-impl. This is to add the required CDI Beans that are > part > > of > > > > safeguards into the webapp context. With this, it seems to work just > > > fine. > > > > If this would be part of the dist, I guess we would need to add the > > > > required CDI Beans into org.apache.openejb.cdi.CdiScanner. > > > > MicroProfile Rest Client:Apache CXF added a MP Rest Client module. > The > > > > issue is that it is added into the 3.2.x line, which is JAX-RS 2.1. > If > > we > > > > look into the MP spec, the Rest Client should be compatible with > JAX-RS > > > > 2.0, which is implemented in CFX 3.1.x line. Upgrading TomEE to CFX > > 3.2.x > > > > doesn't really work due to the JAX-RS 2.1 dependency. As a > workaround, > > > I've > > > > also tried to use just the CFX 3.2.x module lib MP Rest Client, but > > there > > > > is some dependent code. Made a few local changed and got it to work, > > but > > > > ideally, the MP Rest client should be ported back to CFX 3.1.x to > > support > > > > MP 1.3. > > > > Couldn't find any other Apache implementations for the other MP > specs. > > > > I've also think that it could be interesting to distribute a TomEE > > > flavour > > > > with just the MP stuff, to slim down the binary. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Cheers,Roberto > > > > > > > > > >
