Hi - Since the report is past due I went ahead and posted it to the wiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/May2019 I left out the statistics. Regards, Dave > On May 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Michael Wall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pierre, > > I also suggest removing the detailed stats. I think the board will ask for > the same, they not going to go back to prior reports and look at trends. > If there is something of interest in those trends, it is our job to provide > explanation. Personally I find these stats interesting but on their own > they do not measure how well or how poorly a community is doing. > > Is there another way to accomplish your desire to have these statistics > more publicly available? One way that comes to mind is an email to the dev > list with this information. You should then link to that email in the > report if anyone wants to see more. > > Mike > > On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:18 AM Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If there is consensus among the majority of those contributors weighing in >> on the matter of dropping mailing list stats I will remove those. Otherwise >> I will submit the report as is. >> >> The rationale behind this is that while some within the community (and/or >> outside, like IPMC and ASF Board Members) may not be interested in these >> numbers, the report is going to be a public record. >> >> IMO, the (reporting) responsibility of the project goes beyond the >> requirements of the IPMC. This record will be made available to all parties >> in order for them to see how the project is doing, and how its latest >> report compares to a(ny) previous reporting period. It may be a factor for >> (potential) adopters{[1] and (potential) contributors in their decision >> whether to use and/or contribute to the works of the project. >> As always, parties not interested in such (detailed) information can >> disregard. >> >> Another factor is that, while the Whimsy tool provides some data (limited) >> about mailing lists stats, these Whimsy stats are (a) only visible to >> parties with privileges (a controlled circulation) and (b) only provide a >> moment in time snapshot. IMO, there is nothing in there that should be >> regarded as sensitive information and may not be seen by non-privileged >> contributors and others. >> >> [1] adopter: any party that is using the works of the project in its >> (regular) (business) operations. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* >> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* >> Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer >> *Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges) >> since 2008* >> Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer >> >> >> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:57 AM Justin Mclean <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would drop the mailing statistics as there is no commentary telling us >>> what they mean. The number while interesting to some don’t mean much to >>> anyone outside the project without some context. >>> >>>> - private@: 14, comprising of: >>>> - Mentors:, 6 of 6, >>>> - PPMC Members being ASF Members: 1 of 3, >>>> - Other PPMC Members: 2 of 6 >>> >>> If this show that only 1/2 your PPMC is signed up to the mailing list >> then >>> I suggest you encourage all PPMC members to sign up. >>> >>> This is nicely displayed in Whimsy btw [1] which shows 6 of the PPMC not >>> signed up and one extra person signup to the private list who should not >>> be, I suggest they be removed as only PPMC (and ASF) members can be >> signed >>> up to your private list. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Justin >>> >>> 1. https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/tuweni >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
