Thanks Dave. I saw you signed off already. I just did as well. Mike
On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 1:24 PM Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi - > > Since the report is past due I went ahead and posted it to the wiki: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/May2019 > > I left out the statistics. > > Regards, > Dave > > > On May 3, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Michael Wall <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Pierre, > > > > I also suggest removing the detailed stats. I think the board will ask > for > > the same, they not going to go back to prior reports and look at trends. > > If there is something of interest in those trends, it is our job to > provide > > explanation. Personally I find these stats interesting but on their own > > they do not measure how well or how poorly a community is doing. > > > > Is there another way to accomplish your desire to have these statistics > > more publicly available? One way that comes to mind is an email to the > dev > > list with this information. You should then link to that email in the > > report if anyone wants to see more. > > > > Mike > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:18 AM Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> If there is consensus among the majority of those contributors > weighing in > >> on the matter of dropping mailing list stats I will remove those. > Otherwise > >> I will submit the report as is. > >> > >> The rationale behind this is that while some within the community > (and/or > >> outside, like IPMC and ASF Board Members) may not be interested in these > >> numbers, the report is going to be a public record. > >> > >> IMO, the (reporting) responsibility of the project goes beyond the > >> requirements of the IPMC. This record will be made available to all > parties > >> in order for them to see how the project is doing, and how its latest > >> report compares to a(ny) previous reporting period. It may be a factor > for > >> (potential) adopters{[1] and (potential) contributors in their decision > >> whether to use and/or contribute to the works of the project. > >> As always, parties not interested in such (detailed) information can > >> disregard. > >> > >> Another factor is that, while the Whimsy tool provides some data > (limited) > >> about mailing lists stats, these Whimsy stats are (a) only visible to > >> parties with privileges (a controlled circulation) and (b) only > provide a > >> moment in time snapshot. IMO, there is nothing in there that should be > >> regarded as sensitive information and may not be seen by non-privileged > >> contributors and others. > >> > >> [1] adopter: any party that is using the works of the project in its > >> (regular) (business) operations. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Pierre Smits > >> > >> *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* > >> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* > >> Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer > >> *Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without > privileges) > >> since 2008* > >> Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:57 AM Justin Mclean <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I would drop the mailing statistics as there is no commentary telling > us > >>> what they mean. The number while interesting to some don’t mean much to > >>> anyone outside the project without some context. > >>> > >>>> - private@: 14, comprising of: > >>>> - Mentors:, 6 of 6, > >>>> - PPMC Members being ASF Members: 1 of 3, > >>>> - Other PPMC Members: 2 of 6 > >>> > >>> If this show that only 1/2 your PPMC is signed up to the mailing list > >> then > >>> I suggest you encourage all PPMC members to sign up. > >>> > >>> This is nicely displayed in Whimsy btw [1] which shows 6 of the PPMC > not > >>> signed up and one extra person signup to the private list who should > not > >>> be, I suggest they be removed as only PPMC (and ASF) members can be > >> signed > >>> up to your private list. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> 1. https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/tuweni > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >>> > >>> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
