On 10/07/2008, at 1:40 AM, Marcin Miłkowski wrote:

Alexandro Colorado pisze:
I think that XForms really need a community makeover. This feature is highly ignored in the OOo component space. First we would need more templates to show the power of Xforms. Also some more documentation on the wiki and even codesnippets (OOoBasic snippets?, Java).

Well, if you're composing anything than a trivial data entry form, XForms implementation in OOo is seriously crippled due to the lack of xforms:repeat as you cannot really edit any XML document that contains recursive structures. Otherwise, you could, for example, implement an xforms-based editor of ODF files - a kind of WordPerfect Reveal Codes on steroids ;)

So it's not only about awareness - many xforms examples from a nice wikibook on xforms simply won't work in OOo as nicely as they do in Firefox. We need better compliance as well.

Hi Marcin,

This was always the way I saw the current implementation of XForms in OOo as well. It seemed that the xforms:repeat was the obvious solution to many of the intermediate or advanced features required, but was never available. The odd thing was that the standard was included, but it is only used as a backend in OOo and none of the other functionality appears to be implemented. Instead, OOo offers a cut down version on the front end to implement its own specific namespace details. I have been told (and again it seems) that the reason is lack of resources and no interest in the XForms capabilities, but I think if it is pushed in the right way, OOo can be a champion to lead the way in this technology.

Regards
Jonathon


This will hopefully increase the awareness of the tool and then we could have some real techncial features request. On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:00:32 -0500, Svante Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jonathon Coombes wrote:
 On 08/07/2008, at 6:40 PM, Svante Schubert wrote:
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 Hi Svante,
I am glad to see that more development is happening with the associated XML technologies here. I understand that much more capabilities will be possible with the newer specifications and better processor in Saxon. My main question is will these new capabilities be implemented in the XForm part of OpenOffice.org? My main interest is having not just the xform backend, but other features such as the xforms:repeat capabilities and other more advanced operations. Is this something that will be coming with the new Saxon processor?


Hi Jonathon,

I am a big fan of XForms, but AFAIK for OOo 3.0 there will be no update on the OOo XForms implementation.

Only the XSLT filter will profit from the new specifications.

But may I ask what you plan to use XForms for, what features you desire in detail?

Aside of being curious, I would like to have some feedback and as well some evidence/proof that it is worth to move resources from other areas of OOo development to XForms.

Kind regards,
Svante

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