> On Dec 4, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Sean Busbey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Right, but now there's no incentive for reciprocity. The review I can
> offer in exchange for someone reviewing my work is less of a concern
> for committers.
I think it greatly depends upon the morals of the community. I think
for most people, if you ask them point blank if they would do a review for you
if you did a review for them would answer yes. But in practice, does that
actually happen when no one is looking? If people get a review from someone,
do they go look for contribution waiting in the wings from that person?
I can definitely say that at least in my experiences reciprocity was
not the norm for Apache Hadoop and I’d even go so far as to say it was the
outlier. [ But again: Hadoop is a massively screwed up community. It’s just
hard for me to separate it from how the rest of the ASF works since it’s been
my primary point of contact for so many years. :( Other OSS projects I’ve
worked with have different structures altogether; typically BDFLs. ]
> This is part of where I'm starting to have my doubts. like if
> committers need an incentive to go commit the contributions of new
> folks, that should be an issue the PMC worries about. Then again, one
> of the most challenging things I've found so far when trying to
> encourage new contributors is convincing them of the value in them
> doing reviews.
We’ve got YETUS-644 and I think after we vote and decide upon this
issue, we should spend some time working on that. We really should stress that
reviews from non-committers are really really wanted and maybe even provide
guidance on how that is part of the ‘ladder’ to being made a committer? [I
dunno. Throwing darts on this one.] I’m sure the ASF in-general has docs here,
but those docs always seem so disconnected from day-to-day life to me.
