Hi,
On 11-07-17 22:57, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
<domi...@greysector.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 July 2017 at 22:26, Florian Weimer wrote:
I ran into this unannounced change:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Stop_Building_i686_Kernels
I noticed this is categorized as self-contained, which I think is wrong.
I also have hardware that would no longer run Fedora after such change
(a netbook with an older Intel Atom CPU which supports SSE2, but is
32bit). Unless the change proponent can provide some numbers suggesting
that 32bit users are a tiny minority of our userbase, I'll probably
be against such change.
Anyone with 32-bit hardware is going to be against this change. It is
a known downside. It also doesn't change the fact that i686 kernels
are in a zombie state, where the kernel team does not actively support
them and the community has not significantly stepped up to do so.
I still have (some) 32 bit hardware in use and I must say that I was
not aware of this zombie state. i686 kernels have been working fine for
me otherwise I would have likely stepped up to fix things (or if that
was too much work replace my last 32bit hardware), but I may just have
been lucky and never hit a bad kernel.
If the kernel team wants some specific help with ia32 support then
2 things need to happen:
1) A clear request for help needs to be send
2) What exactly they need help with needs to be clearly defined
Also this is plainly false advertising:
== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
32bit i686 users will need to reinstall as x86_64 with the next release.
Nope, 32 bit i686 users are just plain out of luck, unless they
have a 64 bit capable CPU but are still running a 32 bit OS for some
reason (yes I'm aware this is mentioned later, but it clearly
belongs under this header).
Last as others have said, this is _clearly_ a systemwide change
and the deadline for systemwide change proposals for F27 was July
4th, where as this page was created July 6th, moreover a change as
big as this really needs to be discussed out in the open long before
it gets implemented rather then hidden away in a Changes page.
Regards,
Hans
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