On Tue, 2018-07-10 at 00:40 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 20:45, Kevin Fenzi <ke...@scrye.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > This is an approved by FESCo Fedora 29 change that needs to be done
> > before the mass rebuild, which is scheduled for the 11th (2 days from now).
> > 
> > 2018-07-11      Mass Rebuild
> > 
> > ( see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/29/Schedule )
> > 
> > So, really the discussion time for this would have been best in March
> > when the change was discussed on list).
> 
> OK I found https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/29/ChangeSet#Tracking_15
> Which is pointing to
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551327 .. which is
> pointing to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_GCC_from_BuildRoot
> than this page points back to Biugzilla ticket.
> If it was somewhere approved (I'm sure that somehow it was) because it
> is so little possible to find about real discussion about proposal ..

https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1851

One thing that *would* be nice is if, when citing meeting discussions
on Change tickets, FESCo would *link to the meeting where the
discussion happened*, so interested parties can read it. You can find
it quite easily by looking at the ticket dates:

https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2018-03-02-15.00.log.html

but an explicit link would be nice.

> I'm not sure did anyone from FESCo where really aware what they are
> approving and/or did anyone where aware that some alternative
> proposals have been send but generally not commented/ignored.

The discussion thread on devel@ is a fundamental part of the Change
process, so you can generally assume that FESCo members are going to
have read it when they vote on a Change. Suggesting that they didn't
know what they were voting for seems a bit insulting to the FESCo
members...
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