On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:03:12AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 12:58 -0400, Neil Horman wrote:
> > > From this thread you can find at least two people (me and Ben
> > > Rosser)
> > > who definitely didn't keep using vi (my very next questions were
> > > "what's an easier editor to use?" and "how do I change the default
> > > editor to something else?"), and are still sufficiently frazzled by
> > > the
> > > experience that we still refuse to. :P
> > Right, and I acutally think thats great.  You had a problem, you
> > asked the
> > questions you needed answers to, and solved your problem.  I
> > personally think
> > the process of identifying whats bothering you, figuring out a
> > solution (by
> > asking questions, getting answers and experimenting), and then
> > implementing your
> > fix is actually a pretty good user experience in and of itself
> > (though that may
> > just be me). :)
> That is not how it felt at the time :P
> It's really the point about Unexpected Forcible Learning. If I sit down
> at my computer and think "right, I'm going to learn to do X", that's
> one thing. I am mentally prepared to spend some time stumbling around
> working out how to do X.
> The problem with this experience is that's not how it happens. You
> don't sit down and thinking "today I'm going to learn how to use vi" or
> "today I'm going to learn about console text editors and the $EDITOR
> variable". You were intending to do something else, and you were
> suddenly sandbagged by this fracking weird thing you have no idea what
> it is that got in the way of the something else you were trying to do.
> Yes, eventually you learn something, but it's not a "pretty good user
> experience", it is a frustrating and annoying one.

/me puts a tinfoil hat on

what if... what IF ... this whole "vi by default" is a huge conspiracy by
the emacs people to make new users hate vi from the earliest stages, thus
providing a welcoming environment for them to swoop in and save them with
promises of strange shortcuts! I knew it all along!

/me completely wraps himself in tinfoil [1]

[1] well, aluminium foil because it's too hard to get decent tinfoil these
days, not like back in my days when it was snowing uphill both ways
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