Yeah I mean the general discussion, not you specifically.  Thanks,

Josef

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 8:38 PM Eric Sandeen <sand...@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 7/2/20 4:44 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> > We're talking about this issue like it's reasonable that xfs and ext4
> are going to allow the user to get back a bunch of data they don't know is
> ok or not. We're also talking about it like the user should be able to
> carry on his happy merry way.  In these cases the drive is dying and needs
> to be shredded, and a new install needs to happen and a restore from
> backups needs to happen.  Is the btrfs failure much less user friendly?  No
> doubt about it.  Is it any comfort at all when a user shows up and we say
> "where are your backups" and they say "what backups?", no.  But if we're
> going to talk about this like ext4 and xfs are much better because they
> give you the _appearance_ that your data is fine, that's a bit disingenuous.
>
> If I had talked about it like that, it would have been disingenuous.
>
> But I didn't; this was an investigation of resiliency to metadata
> corruption, not data error detection, and to what degree metadata
> corruption can render files or even entire filesystems unreachable after
> normal administrative recovery efforts.
>
> -Eric
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