On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 3:43 PM Tom Stellard <tstel...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/4/20 3:34 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> > On 04/11/2020 20:31, Tom Stellard wrote:
> >> On 11/4/20 3:22 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> >>> On 04/11/2020 19:46, Tom Stellard wrote:
> >>>> On 11/4/20 2:10 PM, Tom Hughes via devel wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Also I'm suspicious about the quality of that list because it
> >>>>> includes packages of mine that only use make via cmake and which
> >>>>> do BR cmake which in turn requires make.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the purposes of this proposal, your packages still need to
> >>>> BuildRequires: make.  I don't want to depend on this kind of
> >>>> indirect dependency to keep things working, because it can be fragile.
> >>>
> >>> So instead I'm supposed to somehow know what tools the tools
> >>> that I use choose to invoke under the covers? Where does that
> >>> insanity end exactly? Do I have to require gas because gcc
> >>> will use it to assemble the code it generates?
> >>>
> >>
> >> No, in that case gcc needs to Require: gas, because it is a run-time
> >> dependency of that package.
> >>
> >> CMake will still work if make is not installed.  Packages that use
> >> cmake + Ninja should require those packages, and packages that use
> >> cmake + make should require those packages too.
> >
> > I don't choose either. I just run cmake and it chooses what to
> > use as it's default build tool. If I told it to use a specific
> > build tool then I would see your point, but for the default one
> > it seems reasonable that it should require it as it has made
> > the decision to use it.
> >
>
> Ok, I think this is a fair point especially after the f33 change were we
> are now using cmake --build and cmake --install instead of invoking make
> directly.
>
> The only issue is if cmake changes make to be a weak dependency can we
> still rely on this?  Do brew builds automatically install weak dependencies?
>

Koji/Brew disables weak dependencies. The weak dependency would be for
developer convenience.

> If the change was automated and you did not have to do anything would
> you still be opposed to having your spec files updated with
> BuildRequires: make
>

You still need BR: make.




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