On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 13:57 +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Check this out from back in the day:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Logo-history-variations.jpg
> >
> > Under that scheme, it was obvious that we did a number of different
> > things, all of them "Fedora".
>
> But those things have one thing in common, they are all gone (except
> the
> project): Core and Extras have merged, Legacy has been discontinued,
> the
> Foundation has never materialized.
>
> > The merger with Extras and creation of a real community project was
> > essential to our ongoing success, but it also introduced a
> > community /
> > output confusion.
>
> All that is left from the above is the Fedora Project that produces
> Fedora.
> I do not see a big confusion there. Every community-developed product
> is
> produced by a project community.
>
> And other attempts at resolving this alleged "community / output
> confusion"
> in Free Software communities have only led to more naming chaos, not
> less,
> see, e.g., the KDE rebranding fiasco. (There are about 99500 search
> engine
> hits for "KDE 5", a phrase that officially does not exist due to the
> rebranding from "KDE 4" to "(KDE) Plasma 4" in the 4.x era.)
>
> In most cases, it is obvious whether Fedora, the GNU/Linux
> distribution, or
> Fedora, the community that develops it, are meant. When not, it can
> be
> easily clarified as Fedora GNU/Linux vs. the Fedora Project in the
> specific
> context.
>
> > This has gotten worse in recent years as we introduce new and
> > different
> > things, leading to things like people saying "Oh, that's in CoreOS,
> > not
> > Fedora", where the shorthand is more confusing than helpful.
>
> And I think it makes sense to say that: CoreOS is a very different
> operating
> system from Fedora as we know it (even if they share the GNU/Linux
> base) and
> so should (continue to) have a completely different brand, not
> Fedora.
>
> > > 2. Why Linux and not GNU/Linux? Linux is just a kernel. GNU/Linux
> > > is an
> > > OS.
> >
> > Fedora Linux is an OS. Although GNU project utilities are indeed
> > essential, Fedora Linux consists of more than those plus Linux, and
> > the
> > contributions of many of those other projects is equally essential.
>
> But the Linux kernel is just a small part of the operating system,
> and not
> even the characterizing part: Android also uses the Linux kernel, and
> it is
> a completely different operating system!
>
> > Additonally:
> >
> > * We are not part of GNU, and in fact listed by them as
> > specifically not
> > endorsed because we have policy disagreements.
>
> Fedora is not "part of Linux" either. The easiest way to avoid any
> such
> confusion is to just call it Fedora.
Or if you want to separate the project and the product, avoid the Linux
and GNU additions and use something more generic:
Fedora OS vs Fedora project?
Louis L
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