* Fabio Valentini:

> On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 12:47 PM Florian Weimer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> * Simon de Vlieger:
>>
>> > There's a third persona here that is overlooked and that is the person
>> > with ill intent.  We can call them Mallory since I don't think anyone is
>> > actually called Mallory on this list (I apologize if so).
>>
>> Wouldn't that person just inject an extension into GNOME Shell and gain
>> ptrace access to the process tree that way?
>>
>> We could implement gdbserver as a GNOME Shell extension to restore
>> just-in-time debugging support, too, but this seems a lot of pointless
>> work.
>
> Huh, is this how developers on ubuntu and Arch do it?
> If not ... how do people *live* on those systems? 🤣

I assume they just run GDB or strace as root when they need just-in-time
debugging.  Which has its own security trade-off (although expect the
user/root separation to be quite thin on developer systems anyway).

Lots of developers may not even aware “eu-stack -p”, “gdb -p”, “pstack”,
“strace -p”, and how useful those are for figuring out where a program
is stuck.

Thanks,
Florian

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