On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 1:03 PM Florian Weimer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> * Fabio Valentini:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 28, 2025 at 12:47 PM Florian Weimer <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> * Simon de Vlieger:
> >>
> >> > There's a third persona here that is overlooked and that is the person
> >> > with ill intent. We can call them Mallory since I don't think anyone is
> >> > actually called Mallory on this list (I apologize if so).
> >>
> >> Wouldn't that person just inject an extension into GNOME Shell and gain
> >> ptrace access to the process tree that way?
> >>
> >> We could implement gdbserver as a GNOME Shell extension to restore
> >> just-in-time debugging support, too, but this seems a lot of pointless
> >> work.
> >
> > Huh, is this how developers on ubuntu and Arch do it?
> > If not ... how do people *live* on those systems? 🤣
>
> I assume they just run GDB or strace as root when they need just-in-time
> debugging. Which has its own security trade-off (although expect the
> user/root separation to be quite thin on developer systems anyway).
>
> Lots of developers may not even aware “eu-stack -p”, “gdb -p”, “pstack”,
> “strace -p”, and how useful those are for figuring out where a program
> is stuck.
my point -> -> -> -> -> ->
your head
Maybe the sarcasm wasn't quite thick enough in my last message, I
should have added `</sarcasm>` after all.
All I wanted to say that it's really kind of silly how we keep
discussing the same issues over and over again, because other
distributions have apparently already solved this problem.
Fabio
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