On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 02:38:50AM +0000, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 4:12 PM Aoife Moloney via devel-announce > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Wiki - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ChangesDiscussionOnlyOnDevelList > > Discussion thread - > > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f46-change-proposal-changes-discussion-only-on-devel-list/197431 > > > > == Summary == > > Starting with Fedora Linux 46, discussion of Fedora Changes as part of > > the [https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/operations/pgm%20guide/changes/ > > Changes Process] will happen solely on the devel mailing list and will > > no longer be simultaneously discussed on Fedora Discussion (the > > Discourse forum). Changes will continue to be announced on Discourse > > in read-only topics to provide a bridge between the two platforms. > > This Change aims to improve communication by avoiding having two > > separate mediums for the same discussion. > > > > Discourse was enabled as an "experiment". I claim > that experiment failed (although, even failed > experiments are successful in a different way, > as they show what doesn't work). > > I have found discourse is a solution in search of > a problem for actual technical discussions[0]. And > so does LKML (an actual technical discussion > list). > > What I would propose is that FESCo decides > on the one (and only one) platform for which > they will evaluate the discussion. If others > want a different place to talk, so be it, but > if one wants the discussions to count, it must > to posted to the one (and only one) place > FESCo will consider it in a format compatible > with that platform (i.e. stop trying to bridge > discussions automatically, which just causes > more confusion and overheads). > > I have a strong opinion as to which platform > that should be (i.e. MLs), but, ultimately, it is > up to FESCo.
I would note that in our current documented guidelines for package maintainers the mailing list still is primary: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/package-maintainers/Joining_the_Package_Maintainers/#join_the_important_mailing_lists [quote] Consider joining the following mailing lists: ... devel is a high traffic mailing list where discussions about the development of Fedora are held. .... Next, you should introduce yourself to the community on the devel mailing list. The primary purpose of this is to begin the process of building trust by allowing the Fedora community members to get to know you a bit more. .... Getting Help We know that this process can be as clear as mud sometimes, and we’re always trying to make it better. If you run into any problems, or have any questions please ask on the devel mailing list or on Libera. [/quote] IOW, we repeatedly point to the mailing lists and do not even mention the forum as a venue for new maintainers to join. Dropping the use of the forum as a 2nd venue for discussing changes is in keeping with this, to get rid of the seriously problemtic "split brain" for discussion threads which results in the same points being repeated & responded to in many places. If there is a desire to make the forum the exclusive venue for discussing Change proposals, then IMHO that is more fundamental than just the Change process. It would suggests a wholesale re-evalation of the maintainer expectations & documentation for communications. To me that would be an undesirable switch. With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com ~~ https://hachyderm.io/@berrange :| |: https://libvirt.org ~~ https://entangle-photo.org :| |: https://pixelfed.art/berrange ~~ https://fstop138.berrange.com :| -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected] Do not reply to spam, report it: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/infra/tickets/issues/new
