Am 02.03.2012 17:55, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On 03/02/2012 10:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> * writing the systemd-unit takes 2 minutes for postfix >> * no need for package anything, install put it locally in /etc/systemd/system >> * so testing takes another 3 minutes, no compile needed > > This timeline is not reasonable. It typically takes half an hour to an > hour to write and test it properly if you are not already familiar with > systemd.
for a simple service like postfix or dbmail? surely not! > For most packages, I would consider this a low priority item > because systemd has compatibility built-in. i was there and saw enough things breaking > Remember that many maintainers deal with more than one package remember that i converted enough services after F15 hit me the first time and that i am maintaining nearly all server-packages as fork in a own repo becuase the half is unuseable for me with missing systemd-unit at least for mysqld and the other half is unuseable because the feodra packages are restarting services on each yum update instead let the admin control this > and several of them have other projects including upstream development > to take care of. If you think you are more efficient at it, you are > welcome to sign up as package maintainer and demonstrate that. > Talk is cheap. i even sent a bunlde of systemd-units to the devel-list * i sent a full migration-guide dbmail2->dbmail3 to the devel-list * also including the systed-units * i made a bugreport that 3.0 is final with the reference i spent WEEKS with the upstream-developer to get dbmail3 stable many threads on the mailing-list, most communication and debugging off-list, provide a build/test-service upstream, even initiated that my company spent money upstream to support the development and the fedora-maintainer does NOT act in any single way http://old.nabble.com/dbmail-users-f17485.html look for my name there, and this are only 10% of the communication over a full month, 7 days a week ___________________________________________________ the result is still a RC3 with sysv-init this is the best example for really bad maintainance first because a simple test proves that the RC3 never should been included in a GA-release and finally because this mistake is not fixed - so not "talking is cheap" * http://old.nabble.com/dbmail-users-f17485.html * http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1572 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=797118 ___________________________________________________ normally my job is web-developer. below a list of packages forked/rebuilt and converted to systemd, so please do not tell me about "talk is cheap" while i am doing all the work missed in F15 besides my normal job a52dec-0.7.4-15.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm a52dec-devel-0.7.4-15.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm aespipe-2.4c-2.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm apr-1.4.5-1.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm apr-devel-1.4.5-1.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm avidemux-2.5.5-6.fc15.20111206.rh.1.x86_64.rpm avidemux-cli-2.5.5-6.fc15.20111206.rh.1.x86_64.rpm avidemux-gtk-2.5.5-6.fc15.20111206.rh.1.x86_64.rpm avidemux-libs-2.5.5-6.fc15.20111206.rh.1.x86_64.rpm avidemux-qt-2.5.5-6.fc15.20111206.rh.1.x86_64.rpm cmirror-2.02.84-4.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm crypto-utils-2.4.1-31.x86_64.rpm cups-1.5.0-11.fc15.20120205.rh.x86_64.rpm cups-devel-1.5.0-11.fc15.20120205.rh.x86_64.rpm cups-ipptool-1.5.0-11.fc15.20120205.rh.x86_64.rpm cups-libs-1.5.0-11.fc15.20120205.rh.x86_64.rpm cups-lpd-1.5.0-11.fc15.20120205.rh.x86_64.rpm cups-php-1.5.0-11.fc15.20120205.rh.x86_64.rpm dbmail-3.0.1-22.fc15.20120301.rh.a6e9ce2795eab12e56592802772a17ab03111829.x86_64.rpm dbmail-3.0.1-23.fc15.20120302.rh.62c20e2b2c15909941916bfe3c71386b31acc82a.x86_64.rpm dbmail-3.0.1-23.fc15.20120302.rh.83199b3f9da0aa430bf9f99d38f8bbdc3f60e348.x86_64.rpm dbmail-3.0.1-24.fc15.20120302.rh.62c20e2b2c15909941916bfe3c71386b31acc82a.x86_64.rpm dbmail-auth-ldap-3.0.1-22.fc15.20120301.rh.a6e9ce2795eab12e56592802772a17ab03111829.x86_64.rpm dbmail-auth-ldap-3.0.1-23.fc15.20120302.rh.62c20e2b2c15909941916bfe3c71386b31acc82a.x86_64.rpm dbmail-auth-ldap-3.0.1-23.fc15.20120302.rh.83199b3f9da0aa430bf9f99d38f8bbdc3f60e348.x86_64.rpm dbmail-auth-ldap-3.0.1-24.fc15.20120302.rh.62c20e2b2c15909941916bfe3c71386b31acc82a.x86_64.rpm dbmail-postfix-policyd-2011.05.25-7.fc15.20111201.rh.noarch.rpm device-mapper-1.02.63-4.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm device-mapper-devel-1.02.63-4.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm device-mapper-event-1.02.63-4.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm device-mapper-event-devel-1.02.63-4.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm device-mapper-event-libs-1.02.63-4.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm device-mapper-libs-1.02.63-4.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm dimp-1.1.8-2.fc15.20120210.rh.noarch.rpm dirb-2.0.3-1.fc15.20111218.rh.x86_64.rpm dovecot-2.1.1-2.fc15.20120224.rh.x86_64.rpm dovecot-devel-2.1.1-2.fc15.20120224.rh.x86_64.rpm dovecot-mysql-2.1.1-2.fc15.20120224.rh.x86_64.rpm dovecot-pgsql-2.1.1-2.fc15.20120224.rh.x86_64.rpm dovecot-pigeonhole-2.1.1-2.fc15.20120224.rh.x86_64.rpm faac-1.28-6.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm faac-devel-1.28-6.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm faad2-2.7-3.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm faad2-devel-2.7-3.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm faad2-libs-2.7-3.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm ffmpeg-0.7.11-2.fc15.20120209.rh.x86_64.rpm ffmpeg-devel-0.7.11-2.fc15.20120209.rh.x86_64.rpm ffmpeg-libs-0.7.11-2.fc15.20120209.rh.x86_64.rpm flac-1.2.1-6.fc14.rh.20110422.x86_64.rpm flac-devel-1.2.1-6.fc14.rh.20110422.x86_64.rpm flvtool2-1.0.6-4.fc15.20111202.rh.noarch.rpm freenx-server-0.7.3-24.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm GeoIP-1.4.8-2.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm GeoIP-devel-1.4.8-2.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm gmime22-2.2.25-2.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm gmime22-devel-2.2.25-2.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm gmime-2.5.1-4.fc15.20120201.rh.x86_64.rpm gmime-devel-2.5.1-4.fc15.20120201.rh.x86_64.rpm gmime-sharp-2.5.1-4.fc15.20120201.rh.x86_64.rpm greenbone-security-assistant-2.0.1-2.fc15.20111230.rh.x86_64.rpm gsm-1.0.13-2.fc15.20111202.rh.x86_64.rpm gsm-devel-1.0.13-2.fc15.20111202.rh.x86_64.rpm gsm-tools-1.0.13-2.fc15.20111202.rh.x86_64.rpm gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.18-1.fc15.20111206.rh.1.x86_64.rpm gstreamer-plugins-ugly-devel-docs-0.10.18-1.fc15.20111206.rh.1.noarch.rpm horde-3.3.13-2.fc15.20120210.rh.noarch.rpm horde-enhanced-3.3.13-2.fc15.20120210.rh.noarch.rpm httpd-2.2.22-2.fc15.20120201.rh.x86_64.rpm httpd-devel-2.2.22-2.fc15.20120201.rh.x86_64.rpm httpd-manual-2.2.22-2.fc15.20120201.rh.noarch.rpm httpd-tools-2.2.22-2.fc15.20120201.rh.x86_64.rpm hylafax-5.5.0-1.fc15.20111214.rh.x86_64.rpm iat-0.1.7-14.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm iaxmodem-1.2.0-7.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm imp-4.3.11-2.fc15.20120210.rh.noarch.rpm ingo-1.2.6-3.fc15.20120210.rh.noarch.rpm jigdo-0.7.3-11.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm jigdo-gui-0.7.3-11.fc15.20111201.rh.x86_64.rpm kronolith-2.3.6-3.fc15.20120210.rh.noarch.rpm lame-3.99.3-2.fc15.20120117.rh.x86_64.rpm lame-devel-3.99.3-2.fc15.20120117.rh.x86_64.rpm lame-libs-3.99.3-2.fc15.20120117.rh.x86_64.rpm 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