Please can we test this on rawhide first if anything? I'm pretty sure a lot
of thing are still ck dependant. We are still trying to catch up to systemd.

Just because some other distro did it doesn't mean we should do it too.

Dan

On Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Lennart Poettering wrote:

> Heya,
>
> since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire
> it entirely from the distribution now.
>
> Most deps on CK are gone. Holdouts are "cdm", "lightdm", "lxsession",
> "lxdm".
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life
>
> This page doesn't say anything about retiring packages other still
> depend on...
>
> I am tempted to just retire CK ignoring the remaining dependencies, in
> the hope this will put the pressure on the folks involved to update
> their stuff...
>
> Getting rid of CK in those packages is dead simple BTW. Just disable it
> in the packages, but make sure pam_systemd is in the PAM stack for your
> greeter tool. It's basically about removing code, not about adding
> new code -- adding new code is only necessary if you want to improve
> your DM to handle multi-seat setups, too (which is a new feature of
> logind, not available in CK[1]). For details, see:
>
> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/writing-display-managers
>
> I'd also like to retire "esound" finally. Currently, adplay, ayttm,
> dopewars, e16, gnome-libs, gnubg, lxdream, moon-buggy, spacechart,
> xarchon, xmms-esd still use it. esd of course has been deprecated and
> dead since many years, the packages which still use it really should
> wake up one day. So here, too, I'd just like to retire the package...
>
> Alternatively, somebody else can take these over, but honstely I'd
> rather see them removed than continue to bitrot in our repository...
>
> Lennart
>
> Footnotes:
>
> [1] If you are interested in adding proper multi-seat support to the DM
>     of your choice, then we might be able to supply you with a free set of
>     multi-seat hardware so that you can actually make it work. Ping me.
>
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