On 23/10/2019 17:54, Matthew Ahrens wrote:
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:28 PM <mailfrom-openzfs.topicbox....@kopka.net <mailto:mailfrom-openzfs.topicbox....@kopka.net>> wrote:A thing that dosn't exist /can not/ be used for anything - even with humans in existance who choose to /believe/ otherwise. Looking at the topic of perpetual motion machines should make this quite obvious, stating that these dont't exist does in no way imply that there are no misguided humans who believe otherwise. The exact same applies to "there is no such thing as race". Stating discrimination based on 'race' /being possible /implies that 'race' exists, effectively bootstrapping a false idea into existance. I think part of the problem is that we are working with different ideas of what "race" means. I think that "race" to you means "a classification of people based on genetics", which we agree is not actually a thing. To me, "race" is a cultural construct - an invented labeling of people not based in any legitimate biological science. We agree that it's bad to discriminate based on either genetics or an invented grouping of people. What would you think if the CoC said something like, "Racism has no place in our community. We strive to create a space that encourages participation regardless of gender identity and expression, physical appearance, ethnicity, ... [race not listed here]. " ?
That's exactly what I wanted to propose as an alternative, based on what I've learned from this interesting discussion (which is really civil and constuctive, compared to the flamewars other groups had with their CoCs...). This formulation directly targets the bad behaviour that should be sanctioned, instead of using an already contaminated term. -- Dr.Udo Grabowski Inst.f.Meteorology & Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technology http://www.kit.edu Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026
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