Hi Kees, > It never felt right to extend Builder to add functionality.
Why not? It is great fun and very valuable both from a theoretical as well as a practical point of view. > That never worked good enough for my needs. The real problem > IMHO is that it's not easy to program against MMBase using > java. My solution is well known. I just write a lot of I agree with you and at the same time disagree, because yes, the API of MMBase contains a lot of unclear and redundant parts, but on the other hand its object orientation, relation management and extendibility is a big advantage in building professional webapplications. And of course if you talk about real-time multiuser games, then the performance for MMBase is not good enough. But for a lot goals its performance is more than sufficient. > jsp/taglib code and that just works , it doesn't need the > compile/deploy cycle and develops quite fast. and if you are > creating website at least You know where to find the code. > While it's a solution , to me it's telling me that MMBase is > great product for fast/ad-hoc development(If you already know > MMBase that is) but You need to compare it to other emerging > technology like the Rails framework or just for that matter > good old php/MysqlAdmin. Yes i think MMBase great for ad-hoc development, but when it comes to professional use you can (and should) also scale it towards a strict MVC approach. In these situations PHP/MysqlAdmin is not an option at all. > I totally agree with nico about the session stuff and vague > concepts. I also agree with Michiel he is trying to make .. > very important but are not concentrating on what the > developer want or what the user want :) I agree with you and Nico on this point. > main resons). A nice addition would be a framework that > support the Strong points of MMBase (no compile/deploy > cycle). What is the problem with the compile/deploy cycle? I think there are two groups of users: (1) using MMBase out-of-the-box for building websites / small-webapplications => no compiling needed or (2) using MMBase for professional web-applications => you can not do without a compile/deploy cycle. And then i dont see why we should redo the MVC approach, where Struts or JSF can already be used in combination with MMBase. > components can be scripted. I should be fun and we should be > able to do AJAX and such stuff in a breeze or am I missing > the point? AJAX in a breeze that would be great. Kind regards, Henk. _______________________________________________ Developers mailing list [email protected] http://lists.mmbase.org/mailman/listinfo/developers
