On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:52 AM, David Metzler <metzler...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Likewise although I already have to some extent: > > first non-sequitur: > I think we have a pretty free / wiki like approach in place already. I > also think that this is something that's best decided by those who are doing > the work. > wot? So if it's a free / wiki like approach, leave it alone, there are no decisions to make. Maybe some occasional pruning or abuse control, but that should be it. and then again: Seems like those that are up for doing the work should have the loudest > voice here. > This is the whole problem to the approach up till now: the documentation should not be organized top-down: this model has shown itself to be a failure. Everyone should be contributing to the Drupal Handbook documentation, and to the extent they do, they are having the loudest voice. There's no need for a "team" to exist on top of that. All they do is move stuff around so it's harder to find. Or take valuable Drupal 6 stuff out. Victor > Dave > > On Feb 1, 2011, at 4:37 AM, Victor Kane wrote: > > I won't be able to go to DrupalCon this year, so I'll give my feedback > here. > > One thing that's clear from the success of many open documentation sites > (wikipedia, stack overflow) is that they avoid top down governance, they let > the meritocracy form on the basis of what actually happens. > > I firmly believe that the existence of "document leads" and other forms of > control have done more harm than good, despite heroic efforts from these > individuals, since all that has happened over the last few years is a > constant moving around of a hierarchical structure. > > Why wouldn't a freer, wiki like approach work? > > Victor Kane > http://awebfactory.com.ar > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Randy Fay <ra...@randyfay.com> wrote: > >> I don't think we can delegate any part of Drupal to something we don't >> control; I think that's just a non-starter. >> >> So for me, the issue is what we can learn from StackOverflow and friends - >> they do great stuff and end up with great content. And yes, I think we >> should build something on that. >> >> Who is signing up to build it? I think it's an easy sell. >> >> -Randy >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Dan Horning >> <dan.horn...@planetnoc.com>wrote: >> >>> i have to ask ... what would we actually gain by doing this - cleanup the >>> various methods for finding info about a given module or theme or bug a >>> little and we far surpass this suggested tool >>> >>> it seems that stackoverflow is driven very highly on userpoints to >>> control access - which while a good thing - doesn't really fit the >>> development model we have here. there are existing processes that would have >>> to change to fit the suggested model. I for one am more for peer reviews and >>> leadership staff assigning access than a points system that someone could >>> rack up points and just get access ... what's that really do for the >>> community - seems that would be great if we were just a tech help forum - >>> awarding points for the users that help and giving them more access - but >>> what's that do for drupal and it's community? (i know there is a potential >>> for this to help ...) >>> >>> another area of issue to me is - another login ? or would it use SSO? >>> do the drupal leadership users and dries have admin level control...? >>> >>> mostly here i just don't get what adding yet another resource (like has >>> been said before) would do to help the lead devs, module + theme devs and >>> just supporting drupal. if i had say -=- i'd vote against this idea >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Horning >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Victor Kane" <victork...@gmail.com> >>> > To: development@drupal.org >>> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:01:55 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A >>> Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal >>> > I guess this is a good place to start: >>> > http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Victor Kane < victork...@gmail.com > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Josh Koenig < j...@getpantheon.com > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Stew, >>> > >>> > >>> > Thanks for starting this thread. This is important stuff: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/2978/drupal-answers >>> > >>> > I want to put my support behind this proposal and explain my thinking >>> > in doing so. >>> > >>> > >>> > The Drupal community is already growing faster than Drupal's >>> > infrastructure can easily support. With the release of D7 and all the >>> > other associated projects getting off the ground, drupal.org is >>> > increasingly often a bottleneck or blocker. We have wonderful hosts >>> > from OSUOSL, but the human resources needed to develop, maintain and >>> > manage our own infrastructure (which is a 24x7x365 job) are limited. >>> > >>> > >>> > We have to pick our battles. I much would rather see energy, effort, >>> > attention and money poured into continuing to improve our git and >>> > module infrastructure — which is much more deeply intrinsic to the >>> > health and future of the project — and accept that even though we >>> > *can* build our own StackOverflow (@eaton proved this already) that >>> > doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of limited resources, or >>> > the best thing for the project. >>> > >>> > >>> > Drupal can theoretically/technically solve a lot of its own problems, >>> > but I think we often suffer from a "not built here" prejudice as a >>> > result. In the realm of getting good quality answers to Drupal >>> > questions out to the most people possible, I can't see how a >>> > StackExchange site would do anything but help. I would love to see the >>> > community embrace something really cool and useful from the wider >>> > Internet as a way to promote the project. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > You make a convincing argument Josh; my own gut feeling has been, >>> > reading this thread, "how can we delegate something so important to >>> > the Drupal Community as its own documentation to another party who may >>> > or may not exist in the near/medium/long term". >>> > >>> > >>> > Can someone inform somewhat on who these guys are? And why there and >>> > not someplace else? >>> > >>> > >>> > Victor >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Finally, I should say that I *do not* think a StackExchange answers >>> > site replaces anything. It's not an issue queue, and it's not a >>> > replacement for the dialogue that exist in the forums. I would say >>> > it's a new resource, something that can help the 10s of 1000s of >>> > people who will be trying to wrap their mind around Drupal in the >>> > coming year. >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> > -josh >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Randy Fay >> Drupal Module and Site Development >> ra...@randyfay.com >> +1 970.462.7450 >> >> > >
