On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 8:46 PM Carl Schwan <c...@carlschwan.eu> wrote: > > Le jeudi, mai 20, 2021 2:18 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development > <development@qt-project.org> a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote: > > > > > > > - there's no registration required; > > > > - the $newthing has proven stability, staff, resources, etc., and > > > > won't > > > > disappear in a few months/years; > > > > > > > > - ... > > > > > > > > then anything is fine. > > > > All other things being equal, the simplest measure would be to simply > > > > move over to Libera. (...) > > > > > > Can Libera already be considered so quickly? A fork of a software is not > > > so easy > > > as the "fork" of a service, isn't it? We don't know if they will > > > disappear in a > > > month, or if Freenode will be fixed by then. Or if another "fork" appears. > > > > Sure, that's a fair question. > > > > Personally, > > > > 1. I trust the staffing (coming from Freenode); > > 2. I trust the organization being entirely under EU law (it's in > > Sweden), with a strong privacy policy; > > > > 3. I trust it not disappearing tomorrow; most of the sponsored servers > > are switching from Freenode to Libera, and many big projects are moving > > there (e.g. Ubuntu just voted in favor. Of course none will move > > overnight, just like Qt isn't moving overnight; decisions + > > practicalities will take some time). > > > > > > > Also, I don't understand how not having to register can be a requirement > > > at all, > > > given that one needs to register, sometimes multiple times, to use some > > > of the > > > other official channels. E.g. to participate in the mailing list I of > > > course > > > need to subscribe to it, and to get an email account at all I would > > > either need > > > to register with some provider or use a work email address (or self-host > > > or...). > > > > Or self-host, indeed. But nothing apart from your email is needed, and > > that email is NEVER used for any commercial or marketing or research > > purpose. Which is the same requirement for the mailing lists. It might > > not be the case for some 3rd party services. > > > > > If at all, not requiring registration makes me more concerned about spam, > > > trolling, harassment, etc. > > > > Which you can easily ignore (see user mode +g, +R). None of this has > > been a major problem on Freenode so far. > > > > > I have my own biases after going through many pains to have a modern-ish > > > IRC > > > experience (self hosting Quassel, using IRC bouncers, etc.). I hope that > > > the > > > current active community of people on IRC doesn't get alienated if > > > something > > > else is chosen, but I also hope that something with proper features is > > > chosen so > > > I can be back online on those communities, because my paste experience > > > with IRC > > > makes me not want to go there again unless really needed. > > > FWIW, I'm now on other IM platforms, and all of Matrix, Telegram, > > > Mattermost and > > > even Discord seem to have acceptable IRC integration, and some open source > > > projects treat both sides of the integration as official channels. People > > > seem > > > to be aware of it, and the friction between the two feature sets and > > > "idioms" of > > > the platform are more or less respected. So a middle ground is possible > > > as well. > > > > Sure, but this doesn't bring an answer to the original question: > > > > - Is the Qt community OK at staying on Freenode? (Currently it has an > > official presence! Although noone seems to know better, esp. who is > > the primary contact for this presence. Looking at the channels > > registrations, the founders are Thiago, ossi, tronical, JP-Nurmi, but > > that doesn't necessarily match who is the point of contact.) > > > > - If no: does it wish to move to another IRC network -- to where? > > - If no: does it want to drop its official IRC presence? Implication: > > the #qt* channels namespace will be released, and so up for grabs by the > > first person passing by and registering channels in there. > > > > Lacking some formal voting infrastructure, how do we take this vote? > > I'd say, KISS: please reply to this email and express your preference. > > I believe the best course of action would be to wait a bit until KDE moves > its freenode presence to libera (should happen soon). And then Qt can move > its freenode channels to libera and add Matrix bridging to the new channels > with the KDE-Matrix instance. > > People who prefer IRC will still be able to use IRC, people who would like > to use a more modern chat protocol can use Matrix and both will be able to > communicate together using the Matrix bridge. > > Currently, there are already some unofficial matrix channels bridged to the Qt > IRC channels (e.g. #_freenode_#qt-labs:kde.org) but making them official, > grouping them into a Matrix Space[1] and encouraging people to join them could > help to make Qt a friendlier project to join.
I'd say embracing matrix can only be a positive iteration for the Qt project. I've personally been in #qt-labs for about a year through our matrix servers and it has served its purpose. You are welcome to join KDE's matrix server and give it a go. If Qt decides to make this the default way to proceed, our sysadmins can help make sure the adequate bridges are in place for a painless transition. https://community.kde.org/Matrix Cheers! Aleix _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/development