On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:53:35 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 08:32:52PM +0300, Jusa Saari wrote: >> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:15:54 +0200, Jerome Flesch wrote: >> >> >> Finally, why does FUQID need replacing ? I thought it was working >> >> just fine, even on Freenet 0.7 ? >> >> >> > It works only under Windows. And no, Wine is *not* a solution, because >> > it works only on Linux 32bits, and so Mac OS[X] users and Linux 64bits >> > users (amd64) can't use Fuqid. >> >> I was under the impression that Freenet itself doesn't works so well >> under 64-bit Linux, since that doesn't support non-native Posix threads, >> leading to a deadlock. > > Purely a temporary problem, and in any case as long as the wrapper works
Actually, if this problem is indeed caused by interaction between Java and NPTL, it has been around for years and shows no signs of going away. From what I've understood, the problem is caused by a bug in NPTL, and until that is fixed or JVM is rewritten to work around it, the problem persists. > (does it?), the node will be auto-restarted when it hangs. This is why we > have disabled the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL hack on new installs; it's not > necessary as long as the wrapper and the watchdog work. What happens if the watchdog gets stuck too ? It has to synchronize with the watched thread sometimes to do its work, AFAIK. Besides, when the node gets restarted, all pending requests are lost, aren't they ? That means that constant rebstarts can't be good for network health. They are likely to break at least some client applications, too. Is there any specific penaly for using non-native Posix threads ? I was under the impression that the major advantage to NPTL was thread creation speed, and Freenet doesn't constantly create new threads, or does it ? >> Besides, can't 64-bit Linux run 32-bit programs, if the correct >> libraries are installed ? > > That's an awful lot of work for the user... I'm pretty certain that most 64-bit distros have 32-bit libraries installed by default, since to do otherwise would make them completely unable to use any program for which source code is not available, or whose author made unwarranted assumptions about pointer size. >> > In addition, Fuqid allows only the user to insert and retreive files >> > on Freenet. I agree, it's its purpose, but I plan to do something >> > better, allowing users to create, manage and browse indexes containing >> > their file lists. >> >> Doesn't Frost already have this functionality ? > > Not really no. Frost has searchable file lists attached to boards. It has > very limited fuqid-type functionality, and even its file list searching > isn't that great. What we are talking about here is amongst other things a > universal index format, which can be used by Librarian as well... >> >> >> > Some people put forward already some names on IRC, for example: >> >> > "freeshare", "jeefree", "freezilla". Currently, my favorite is >> >> > "freeshare" (even if it suggests a little bit too much copyright >> >> > infringement). >> >> >> >> How about just calling it "Freenet Downloading Tool", or FDT for >> >> short ? >> >> >> > You told us that it was better if it has no meaning, no ? :) >> >> In all honesty, if you heard of a tool called "FDT", would it say >> anything to you ?-) _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [email protected] http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
