On Sat, 2016-08-06 at 18:17 +0000, Ian Clarke wrote: > Well, I have Florent criticizing me for being too democratic, and Xor > criticising me for not being democratic enough, so how about if you > guys just debate it directly. > Ian. >
That came out wrong... I have no problem with you attempting to take decisions in a democratic manner; what I have a problem with is the obvious shortcomings of the method: - it's very slow (prior to my email, there was a 2 month silence), we're already 3 months in the process and we still don't have a decision! - by involving everyone, it's very inefficient (direct-democracy has its limits), you can't have "referendums" all the time. Experience has shown that asking more than "yes/no" doesn't work in practice. Getting everyone to decide on everything just doesn't work. - it will never be fair (nor perceived as such), since you haven't spelt the rules in advance... Experience has also shown that the said rules won't be considered fair either. - it's "new" for the project, to this date it's the first time that we're attempting it... we've given it a go, but as far as I'm concerned, it's already a failure (all of the reasons above AND the very low participation rate). Overall, I'm far from convinced that it's superior to alternatives. Florent > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:56 PM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > > If nobody else does, I'll take the ungrateful duty of alerting us > > of the > > elephant in the room :( > > > > > > You said you wanted more democracy by having the poll on how to > > spend the > > money. You blocked the funds with that for 3 months. > > I am absolutely OK with that and think we should go through with > > it! :) > > > > Now you want to bypass your own democracy by taking a large sum of > > money and > > spending it how you please. > > This opposes your own agenda. > > > > Thus please wait for the results of the poll and only suggest a > > website > > redesign if people actually want it. > > Sorry :( > > > > I don't enjoy saying this but it's a natural conclusion and thus > > needs to be > > said. > > Especially considering this statement of your own: > > > When I've raised the subject of a website redesign in the past, > > the only > > > voices I heard in response were opposed to it. > > > > Something which you have felt lots of opposition against is the > > last thing you > > should bypass a poll for. > > Also, something which matters on personal *taste* is a poll-thing > > as well: > > Design preferences are highly personal. Whether a design sucks can > > only be > > answered in a poll in the first place. > > > > So please, if you want to bypass the poll, do it with something > > less > > controversial, and with something which costs a lot less money than > > $5000 :) > > > > > > Thanks :) > > > > -- > > hopstolive (keyword for Ians spam > > filter)_______________________________________________ > > Devl mailing list > > Devl@freenetproject.org > > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > > > > > -- > Ian Clarke > Stacks - The AI CFO for your personal finances > http://trystacks.com/
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