On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 21:43 +0200, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > Same as my last mail about the website, I'll try to have this be the > last mail with regards to our discussion here. > This sub-thread here isn't helping the project, so I should stop > replying to it. >
That's a great idea. You are hijacking every single thread and making them all about you, what you think and how you feel, which frankly, no one cares about. We all have a life, yet no one is talking about theirs as much as you do. I've never met you, yet I seem to know way too much about you, your health, your family situation, your feelings, ... This thread is me asking our coordinator where we are going, and what vision he has for the project. We have been going for over a decade and a half... it seems like a legitimate question. > Unlike the one to Ian, this one is *not* going to try to be positive. > In fact, it will not only be negative but may also be hurtful. > Sorry, but I am fed up with the harassment of Florent and I will tell > him why. > I cannot productively write code under the circumstance that every > day I wake up to an insult of him. > Where did I insult you? > I can at least tell you that nobody else needs to waste his time in > reading this if you don't feel like reading it. It contains > information primarily valuable for Florent. > If that's the case, why are you posting it on a mailing list? (again logic) > On Monday, August 08, 2016 10:08:49 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > > > > You have to accept the fact that you can't be the right tool for > > doing > > everything. In the past few days alone, you have suggested that > > you're > > qualified to be: > > - the resident website design guy > > - the PR/spokesperson > > - the fund-raising guy > > - the WoT developer > > Shame on me for believing I could be able to do 4 things as a human. > > > > > I have never argued that you can't do any of it, I have argued that > > you > > are not good-enough at it to be our paid resource working on it. > > You neither are. I have never claimed or pretended that I am, contrary to you. > You insult everyone around you. > The only judgments you ever do about anything are negative. > Do you think this puts you into a position to judge who can represent > the project? No, that is why I insist that the project coordinator is kept in the loop... > Do you think this helps the team stay productive? I do think that your constant bikeshedding is actively preventing everyone from making progress, yes. You can't take no for an answer and have recently illustrated it once again on the website-redesign thread. Regardless of who it comes from, you can't accept decisions you don't agree with... and seem to drag down the discussion "at your level", hoping to beat people "with experience". > Waking up to insults every day? > Do you really think this makes anyone write more code? > > And: You haven't written a *single* commit of WoT code, yet you > believe you can judge my work. Still, you constantly repeat that > we're a meritocracy. > You are the second biggest direct expense the project has ever had (over a 15y+ lifespan). What do you have to show for it? You have produced code we are too embarrassed to ship in the default install! You have been funded for years, yet none of the code you wrote is actually distributed to new users... go figure. I think that it is legitimate for me to ask the question: WTF are we doing? How do we justify sending more money your way? I have avoided making it about your performance or capacity, but if you want to go there, fine. We can talk about it... You have missed every- single of your self-defined (and readjusted) dead-lines: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/roadmap_page.php?project_id=11 Ian might see something that I don't (have a vision)... but I want to ensure that this is the case, and not just the result of him being too busy and "keeping things as they are" because it's convenient. > And besides: Why didn't you just fork your "Florent-net" already? How is that relevant? I wake up everyday and regret not having done so when 0.7 came out. > You dislike Freenet's goals, you dislike the contributors, you > dislike the decision procedures. You yourself say that you don't even > want users. Is there anything you like at all? > > And why are you even writing software in the first place? > If you don't want users, write papers. > If you didn't want to give people electricity, you wouldn't build a > power plant. > At best, you'd write a physics book on how to build power plants. > Software is meant to be used, and software is thus meant to appease > users. > HAHAHAHA. That comes from a guy whose code the project doesn't even ship. > So papers may indeed be much more fun for you. > And guess what: We're having a big lack of people writing papers > anyway. > So perhaps for the benefit of increasing your own fun just resort to > that and leave people alone with anything user-focused? > > > > > Other members of the community accept criticism and the standard > > our > > RMs are setting, you don't seem to. > > I cannot remember a single instance of you using the word "sorry". > How does you not remembering have anything to do with anything? I would like discussions not to be about you, but you are making everything about you. > In fact, you're so obviously bad at this that: > - you not just once made another human being consider writing a shell > script to count the number of times you said "sorry" in IRC > discussions, just to prove that you never do. > - you made another human being collect a directory full of you > arbitrarily insulting people. It currently contains 17 log files of > 17 distinct IRC discussions. > - And for the record: You're absolutely the only human being who made > me gather this data. > > Ask yourself: Is making someone else do this a great accomplishment > you've done with your life? > Let me get that straight... I should feel guilty because my behaviour made you go off on a tangent and do something more useless than usual? > You are the one who cannot accept criticism. > > No. It's even the proof that you don't understand the job > > description. > > > > Raising $20 once isn't what is going to keep the project afloat. > > The > > idea of having a paid resource raising money is that it should be > > able > > to raise more money than it costs; you have brilliantly > > demonstrated > > that you don't even understand that! > > You really think this was about the $ 20? The $ 20 are irrelevant. I am glad we agree. > This was about showing social skill, which is the key requirement for > anything related to asking other people for help. > > But I can understand that you wouldn't see social skill given that > you don't seem to care at all about trying to show it. > Thank you for making my point and illustrating, once again, how great yours are. I have never claimed to be a people-person or a qualified PR representative... not only you have, but you pretend to getting paid for your services. > I don't even think you have no social skill. You're very certainly > intelligent enough for having it. > You just actively decide against using it, which is the biggest > insult you can give people in the first place. > You show people that you actively decide to not care about how bad > you make them feel. I've told you numerous times that your gross > insults hurt me, and you don't even try to stop with them. > > This is the highest form of disrespect. > Once again, it seems like we have lost the "logic" bit here... Are you seriously suggesting that I should stop arguing with you because it makes you feel bad? > > > (Attention: More bragging ahead!) > > > > > > I had already gotten one of those two journalists to dedicate > > > half a > > > page of > > > the local newspaper to an article about Bitcoin. It was half > > > interview with > > > me, half comment - and the comment did seem positive, which I > > > think > > > is a > > > success given how many people doubted Bitcoin in 2013. > > > (I can provide a scan to Ian if you doubt that, he knows my real > > > name > > > so I > > > wouldn't care to give it to him.) > > > > Have you asked for the permission to do that? The line is pretty > > clear, > > you're allowed to do advocacy (like anyone else), but if you > > represent > > the project in front of the press, you run it through its > > coordinator. > > > > For the record, I am definitely not comfortable with you > > representing > > "us" and I have made that clear to our coordinator (Ian) in the > > past. > > Now this absolutely is the icing of the cake. > > You're the person who has the pet peeve of constantly randomly > throwing a hissy fit at me telling me that I shouldn't "boss" > volunteers such as you around. > > And the same person is now telling me I need to ask for permission to > volunteer to have an interview about a things which I've did with my > life for 8 years. The rule is written on the website and has been observed by everyone but you. "Press enquiries go to Ian". If you are representing the project, you need the coordinator's permission to do so. I can name numerous instances where it has been respected... In recent years, whether it's when me, Arne, ... when a press enquiry comes around, we *always* run it past ian for approval. > It's MY life, if I want to tell anyone what I did with it, I can > perfectly damn fine do that without asking for your permission. > Once again: it's not about my permission, it's about Ian's. > But since I don't have a spine and am still willing to try to get to > peace with you, here's the justification of why this won't go wrong: > Over the past years, I've explained Freenet to *hundreds* of > sceptical strangers. > Many of which at first are like "wtf are you doing with your damn > laptop here?", "wtf, the darknet is about porn and drugs?", etc. > > And I get 90% of them to like Freenet in the end. > Some of them even were actual cops who are inclined to believe that > Freenet is involved in illegal things. > And guess what the talk ended with? > "You're cool, go on programming, don't waste your time with me!" > > Nevertheless, I do realize that you've seen much of my negative side > on IRC to doubt that. > But you have a big influence in this: Stop insulting me and I will be > kind. Or just leave me alone. > You seem to be the one who gets involved with every single discussion. I don't care about the website enough to get involved, you do. I don't care much about where the current funds are spent, you do. ... and the list goes on. > But please, for the sake of the project, stop your insults towards > me. They actively prevent me from writing code instead. > Again: where did I insult you? > Sorry for this harsh criticism, but it is really destroying the fun > in my life to every day wake up to a negative rant of yours. > I'm already at the point where I'm afraid of opening IRC / devl every > morning. > You're hurting me. And I'm probably not the only one being hurt by > your negativity. > > And I would strongly doubt you enjoy it yourself. Seriously, how can > being angry all the time be fun? The only thing you'll get from that > is a heart attack. > So if you're both hurting yourself and the people involved, why not > try to focus on something which is fun instead? > You are right, getting involved in your bikeshedding is not fun... but regardless of what I do I can't seem to avoid it. You have an opinion that you feel you have to express on *everything*. Maybe for my sake (and the sake of the other people involved) I should just abuse my super-powers and mute you everywhere. Then we might get to the point where we can constructively make progress. Florent
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