On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 09:15:00AM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:26:13PM +0000, Cruise wrote:
> > Because of course your average user will tell the difference between
> > javascript on  a Freesite (bad) that appears when they click a link,
> > from javascript on a download page (good) that appears when they
> > click a link.
> 
> Generally speaking, if someone has found a hole in the FProxy filter,
> and they plan to compromize someone's security through Javascript, they
> aren't going to advertise that fact by making a window pop up! 
> 
> What exactly is the user supposed to think on seeing a window appear 
> that is so completely terrible?  The worst they can think - "hey, a 
> window can only appear with Javascript and javascript in a freesite is 
> bad, I had better email support at freenetproject.org" is:
>   a) Unlikely
>   b) Harmless
No, the worst is that they assume that javascript is okay, and either
a) use it in their freesite, trip the filter, and learn better and/or
b) figure out that javascript could be harmful and come talk to us about
it.

Either way, we lose very little.
> 
> > It's not that javascript is bad. It's not that your method is bad.
> > Far from it. It's just that a lot of people will have trouble telling
> > the difference between stuff that is and stuff that isn't. Rather
> > than risk them accepting everything, surely it would be better to
> > accept nothing, and loose a tiny bit of visual nicety?
> 
> That doesn't make sense.
> 
> If someone is maliciously using Javascript in a freesite the user is 
> unlikely to see any physical manifestation of it anyway, so what exactly 
> is being lost here?
> 
> Ian.
> 
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